Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Villyan Bijev (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. lifebaka ++ 02:06, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Villyan Bijev
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Recreated article after having been previously deleted for failing WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. This is still the case. He is yet to make a an appearance at the senior level and therefore fails WP:NSPORT. All coverage I have been able to locate is either routine coverage mostly pertaining to his transfers to and from Liverpool, or unreliable self-published sources. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


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I understand the criterion relating to appearing for a club in a major league, which he has yet to satisfy, but this player has generated a fair amount of buzz in the football world and, it seems to me, at least, is worthy of inclusion according to that criterion under WP:CSD G4. Some examples: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_7140270,00.html, http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2011/08/31/2644967/official-liverpool-sign-us-starlet-villyan-bijev-loan-him-to, http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/31/liverpool-joe-cole-craig-bellamy. Obviously, will go with the consensus on this, but I suspect he will qualify under the appearance criterion very very soon. In fact, I see he played yesterday and scored two goals, which may already satisfy the appearance criterion! http://www2.fortuna-duesseldorf.de/nc/pages/news/uebersicht-news/artikel/article/90-sieg-im-freundschaftsspiel-bei-der-schwalmtal-auswahl/index.htm. I will add this to his page whilst you consider this. grj1958 (talk) 08:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Speedy delete under WP:CSD G4, still fails the same criteria he did when nominated less than a month ago. --Jimbo[online] 23:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You've already made the main point against your argument. The claim that he will make an appearance, while probable, is speculation nonetheless and therefore not grounds for notability. As I have already stated in the nomination rationale, the sources available, including those you just provided, are routine sports journalism. Sir Sputnik (talk) 11:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, that all seems quite clear cut. I will leave it to you to apply whatever criteria you see fit with regard to notability. Just seems incongruous to me that a debut appearance for Fortuna Dusseldorf (which will presumably qualify him for entry) trumps being signed as an American teenager by Liverpool in terms of importance. Guess that's the difference between the criteria applied by news journalism, with which I'm familiar, and those of Wikiepdianism, with which I'm not. I will try harder next time. One final thing: how would I (or anyone else who might be so inclined) retrieve the page if and when Bijev puts on his No 16 shirt and crosses the white chalk line of notability? Thanks a lot. grj1958 (talk) 15:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - still fails notability criteria. GiantSnowman 13:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing has changed. Still fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Recreate when/if he makes his senior league debut. Argyle 4 Life  talk  01:46, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per above Zbase4 (talk) 20:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Not notable now but he will be assuming he makes a first team appearance for Fortuna Dusseldorf. Might WP:Incubation be appropriate here as it looks like a rationale "that the article could meet inclusion/content criteria if given time"? I've never used that process before so I'm not sure if it applies. Keresaspa (talk) 00:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, the article is clearly not notable now, but the chance of the subject becoming notable in the future are pretty good. Userification may also be a option if someone wants work on the article. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:22, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable "footballer", unencyclopedic aarticle. Keb25 (talk) 15:34, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


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