Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vilnius Metro


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Vilnius Metro

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There are no third-party sources that mention this supposedly planned metro as being a real project. The external link in the article goes to vilniausmetro.lt, which states that “Vilnius Metro is a non-governmental organization that is popularizing the idea of a metro in the capital of Lithuania. The city of Vilnius does not yet have a metro; our goal is to educate the populace about the benefits of metro systems.” As long as no reliable, third-party source supports the claim that this is a real project (and not some NGO's vision), Wikipedia should not have an article about it per Verifiability. &mdash;Kjetil r (talk) 13:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

BTW, a speedy deletion was proposed here, as well as in es.wikipedia and no.wikipedia (the Spanish and Norwegian articles seem to be translations of the English article). --Kjetil r (talk) 13:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Here are some third-party sources: delfi.lt, Gediminas Technical University It is proposed, not planned, so changed that. Novickas (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Has the proposal been seriously discussed by Lithuanian politicians and/or in Lithuanian media? What is the probability for the proposal to be realized? The article should discuss such issues, so that our readers can see that this is not a proposal from a fringe group. --Kjetil r (talk) 17:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, delfi.lt is a major Lithuanian media outlet. Novickas (talk) 17:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC) Other info per is-it-a-serious-proposal rather than a single NGO's vision, it was specifically mentioned by Vilnius city municipality: "A new and modern means of transportation to be introduced into Vilnius City in the near future is considered now. That is the fast tramway, the routes of which shall connect the main city districts with the centre and workplaces." . These are reliable sources, now in the article. Novickas (talk) 18:45, 4 October 2008 (UTC) WP:CRYSTAL does not prohibit articles about major proposals; rather stating that "If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented." This proposal is documented in reliable sources. Novickas (talk) 18:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination and WP:CRYSTAL. Bsimmons666 (talk) 17:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:Crystal and even the keep notes it is "proposed". Fails WP:N.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, it is a real proposal, seriously advocated by former Mayor. There were many studies, proposals, presentations, etc. The mayor advocated for a tramway and even created the company that would be in charge of the structure. However, that proposal did not pass and the company was liquidated. So now activists chase after a metro. It seems unlikely that any of it will pass -- it would cost too much and the benefits are not so clear. But it is a very notable debate in Lithuania, going back to 2001 or 2002. You can find heaps of newspaper articles about it (in Lithuanian, of course). Even if it does not pass, I see no reason to delete it. We are keeping a failed US bill Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007. Renata (talk) 22:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * comment. And the current mayor? Does the idea stand any chance to reach, say, budget hearings? Does anyone now (parties, politicans etc.) take it seriously? Are the Vilnius residents happy to shovel $5,000 each for something that will take 10 years to build... etc. The article makes an impression that it's as dead as a dead fish. NVO (talk) 05:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Just because it's further away than Kansas doesn't mean it's NN. Vilnius has been arguing the pros and cons of paying for a half-decent metro longer than Bristol has. Whether they do or don't, the argument itself is notable. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Then let's change the article title to Vilnius Metro (proposal)... because right now that's all it is.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm interested in the topic, not the title, so I couldn't object to that. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. So who do we see to have the title changed to better reflect the content of the article? Once the Vilinius Metro is actually built this article can become a major portion of the new version which will be created under this current name.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Should probably be called "Vilnius Tram Project", since that is what the city's presentation to UNESCO called it, along with the Scott Wilson Group ; they did the financing feasibility study. Vilnius Metro seems to be name of the supporting NGO only. Who can do it - Renata, above, is an admin, or maybe it doesn't need an admin, just someone versed in the procedures, once there is a consensus to keep and rename. Novickas (talk) 12:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lithuania-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  20:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  20:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, thoroughly referenced article for a megaproject. These sorts of project become notable even if they are never built, because the decision process becomes notable due to the span of political debate and public interest in the matter. Arsenikk (talk)  20:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep on the basis of its current status as real proposal. Proposals are fine for future infrastructure articles. Michellecrisp (talk) 05:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - It is acceptable to have an article on a proposed prject of this size, but PLEASE no subarticles on stations until it is under construction. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge to Vilnius, as the topic is being covered and taken seriously, but there is no actual metro or project yet to put it in. If it ever becoems a reality, it can then be split off to its own page. -- Whpq (talk) 17:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.