Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vimla patil


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The result was   keep. apparent agreeement that there is sufficient sourcing for notability  DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Vimla patil

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Despite huge blocks of unformatted text, there really isn't much here which explains what makes her notable. There are also few sources, and nothing inline, and this is a BLP, so it needs a complete rewrite if kept. I have concerns about the provenance of the image, as well. If the uploader (who wrote this article) is the copyright holder of the image, then they also have a conflict of interest. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 07:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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COMMENT: The text is now formatted and paragraphed for easy reading.

COMMENT: What makes Vimla Patil notable? 1. She is the first woman journalist of India to achieve international success and to brand Femina, a Times of India publication, as one of the most popular and highest selling women's magazines.She edited Femina for 20 years, the longest career for an editor in India. 2.She made an awesome contribution to the promotion of equality and empowerment for millions of Indian women through education and economic self reliance by promoting improved laws. She promoted this empowerment through the Print media as well as Multimedia. 3.With the support of Indira Gandhi and the Indian Government, she promoted Indian textiles and garments internationally and popularized Indian hand-looms throughout the world, 4. She built the brand of Miss India and brought glory to the beautiful women of India. Many winners like Aishwarya Rai and Priyanka Chopra are now making headlines throughout the world.

COMMENT: The image is provided by Vimla Patil herself, hence there is no issue of copyright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.177.19 (talk) 11:58, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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COMMENT : Objections to this site are unfounded for the following reason/s - a cursory search via any reputable internet engine will produce a significant level of documentary proof required in terms of scope and breadth of achievements required for this individual's inclusion. A more formal library based literature search will confirm the huge body of work spanning several topics including but not limited to food/cuisine (politics, fashion, and most importantly women's emancipation/social justice issues) that she has produced over the last several decades. A secondary assessment of those she has mentored in the literary and media fields will establish the influence she has exercised in these fields indirectly as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.191.240.98 (talk) 18:36, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Delete – Claims to notability seem to include journalism and publications. The coverage I found showed journalism and cooking  careers mentioned in reliable sources, but I don't think multiple reliable third parties give this subject substantial, non-trivial coverage. I'm open to changing my vote if better reliable coverage is found. JFHJr (㊟) 07:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – This subject's other claim to notability — Miss India — is well covered there. That article can and should absorb any noteworthy information by its founder, but the present subject does not WP:INHERIT notability on the basis of Miss India alone. Again, I'm open to changing my vote, and if this subject in fact meets notability reqs otherwise, the Miss India part appears to merit a significant part of the prose. JFHJr (㊟) 05:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Must Keep - the following citation by the publisher on the back cover of one of her books ' How to be Successful and Happy! Sixty-four tips from India's ancient wisdom', well covers Vimla Patil's noteworthiness in a nutshell: "VIMLA PATIL is one of the senior-most multimedia person and activist in India. As editor of Femina, India's number one women's journal, for over twenty-five years, she was responsible for turning Femina into a sweeping movement for Indian women's empowerment and progress for three decades. She helped promote Indian Textiles - specially handlooms and hand-done embroidery - through thousands of fashion shows in India and more than twenty-five countries of the world. After her career with Femina Vimla Patil wrote for innumerable journals and newspapers in India and several websites worldwide. She has scripted and directed sound and light shows, television shows, documentary films and written more than fifteen books, including memoirs of career as the editor of Femina. She continues to work ceaselessly for women's empowerment through workshops and seminars. She is an established writer of travel, culture, and heritage-based features for many top magazines in India". And this is only one of such citations Vimla Patil has received not only from publishers of her work but also from various Institutions and Organisations while receiving honors and awards for her work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.154.81 (talk) 11:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The cover of one of her books is not a reliable source. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 19:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Might I refer this thread to pages 367 - 370 of Fritjof Capra's book - Uncommon Wisdom - Conversations with Remarkable People, wherein he describes his interactions with Vimla Patil and acknowledges the scope of her knowledge on seminal issues ... he then goes on in the same vein to meet Mrs. Indira Gandhi, the then Prime Minister of India, on Vimla Patil's suggestion, following on with an analysis of the two meetings in the context of women's issues in India in the 1970's. I daresay Mr. Capra (The Tao of Physics, etc.) would be defined as a reliable source. An English version of his interview with Mrs. Patil is to be found on pages 302 to 306 at http://awakenvideo.org/pdf/Collection%20Vol%20I%20A-G/Fritjof%20Capra%20-%20Uncommon%20Wisdom%20Conversations%20With%20Remarkable%20People%20%5BOCR%5D.pdf. Please note the language consistently used by Mr. Capra in describing Vimla Patil. Indeed, he directly attributes his meeting with Mrs. Indira Gandhi (which forms the basis of Chapter 8 of his book) to being inspired by his conversations with Mrs. Patil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.191.240.98 (talk) 10:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

KEEP: The page is substantially edited and rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.157.140 (talk) 22:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Keep and Rewrite. Vimla Patil is a veteran journalist. She passes most of the requirements of Wikipedia:Notability#Creative professionals so I don't see any problem with notability. The Article is very poorly written even after so many edits and needs a major overhaul. I will try to help as much as I can but it would be great if it receives an expert's attention. trunks_ishida (talk) 14:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Keep The article is largely rewritten and more references added — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabhakar Patil (talk • contribs) 13:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Despite the rewrite, this article should still go. Aside from a heap of inline external links to this subject's own publications, there's no supporting citation for the contents. None of the claims as to this subject's notability are supported; simply asserting WP:CREATIVE doesn't work (see WP:VAGUEWAVE). If this person is notable, show substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources, or examples of how and why this subject passes under WP:CREATIVE rather than vague assertions. JFHJr (㊟) 17:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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