Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vincent van Ommen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The walls of text here, with lots of irrelevant links to YouTube or IMDb didn't make this an easy close. However, in the end, the "delete" !votes have the stronger arguments. Randykitty (talk) 13:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Vincent van Ommen

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Very minor actor without important roles. fails WP:NACTOR. Suspicion of (self-)promo. Look for example here Where the article states "De volslagen onbekende Nederlandse acteur Vincent van Ommen heeft persberichten doen uitgaan waarin hij meldt dat hij wederom zal schitteren tijdens het Cannes International Film Festival 'samen met bloedmooie tegenspeelster, Tomb Raidermodel Alison Carroll.' (The completely unknown Dutch actor Vincent van Ommen has released press releases in which he announces that he will shine again at the Cannes International Film Festival "together with stunning counterpart, Tomb Raidermodel Alison Carroll.") The Banner  talk 10:13, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Every actor/producer/filmmaker sends out pressreleases. They have publicists for that. It is commonpractice in the enterainment industry. Not a reason for deletion. Turns out the blogger that nominator quotes was rejected entry at one of the Cannes film screenings of a movie Vincent van Ommen was part of (source ). The blogger wrote more snarky comments about the subject and his movies. One disgruntled blogger isn't enough to delete a well RS sourced article. Actor is even currently in news, see Dutch papers here, and here. Which say "Actor Vincent van Ommen will voice new Nintendo game". He's even on MSN.com, and also news on all these other websites, , , . Subject meets all requirements, has indication of importance, and has deep RS coverage. Thus, keep. HM Wilburt (talk) 12:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ow, nice. A journalist from a long standing national newspaper is suddenly a disgruntled blogger, just because he was critical in his newspaper about Van Ommen? The Banner  talk 12:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * And yes, you have found seven sources for the same upcoming voice job, and not one of the sources states the significance of that role. The Banner  talk 12:51, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You are not reasoning your point. You cite a one negative comment from a filmblogger as a reason for deletion. Obviously, that's not enough for deletion. You should know this. Especially when it turns out when that same filmblogger wrote more negative comments because he was rejected at the filmpremiere of one of subject's movies. Actor was literally in the national newspaper yesterday and even on www.msn.com so the significance is apparent. The article even says he is voicing 5 playable characters. Still keep. HM Wilburt (talk) 16:08, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You are attacking a journalist to discredit him. Clear case of WP:IDONLIKETHAT. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 16:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Investigation on the Dutch Wikipedia revealed that the article contains a lot of unsourced nonsense. The article here was created by User:MovieMayhem and later updated by the sock puppet User:Jenjenxd who also created the article on the Dutch Wikipedia. I would be surprised if these different accounts and the subject of the article are all the same person. Multichill (talk) 20:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the history of accounts. But i just spend the past evening rewriting the Dutch article. I've vetted all the sources and rewrote it based on the complains about puffery and NPOV. The article is fully sourced. So please read my rewrite and revise or confirm your vote. HM Wilburt (talk) 22:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

https://www.ingridspelt.nl/cms-assets/documents/100151-341615.vincen-van-ommen.pdf
 * Delete -  Our team has been doing some extensive research. Regardless of the very debatable sources that have been discussed extensively on the Dutch Wikipedia (this is supposed to be a legit award ceremony:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z3GHHkRA0k&t=4s, while in fact it is just a  group of friends making amateur games), this is supposed to be listed as a movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj3KPvZWn1Q&t=4s, in another no-budget film he was in 1 shooting scene, said in this interview that the press was expecting him but that the film was never released, why would anyone interview him for that film? There seems to be a lot of talk about red carpets, name-dropping and interviews in general, in this article: Actor claims that due to a terrorist attack, he only did 1 interview for Batman? Otherwise it would have been more? We found out he only did a scream in a song (part of a competition) that never made the film. Why would the press interview him for that?

There are many other peculiar interviews online: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132017777@N08/19813627185/in/dateposted/ Where he talks about dinners with Colin Farrell, red carpets and using his "fame" to get girls, and how glad he is that nobody in Holland knows him, so he can walk around freely in his sweatpants. But of course, how famous he's supposed to be abroad. We could argue what this has to do with the discussion, but his gives a certain insight about the subject.

Most so called "sources" for filmfestivals are dead links http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/article2767573.ece/Nederlandse_acteur_in_film_met_Tomb_Raider-model.html and the sites of the filmfestivals either do not mention these no-budget shorts or they were not in the final selection. Other projects look like cosplay and are listed as no or low-budget projects on their respective websites, actor appeared in a few low-budget crowdfunding shorts of no more than 10 minutes. All movies are either amateur shorts or no-budget student productions. A big portion of them doesn't even seem to exist at all and are nothing more than a 10 second phone clip or microsoft paint picture.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3156628/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_25

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5476716/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_31

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5197368/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_34

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5350166/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_38

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6474054/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_39

His IMDB is full of "games" like this, nothing more than a title. Some of them are even listed as tv series, it's one big mess. Actor paid an American press company to interview him and he lists those interviews as acting credits. It goes on and on. Actor makes lists of 10 famous Dutch Actors in Hollywood and adds himself. To explain where he's known from some vague untraceable videogame comes up: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls070316665/?ref_=otl_2

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls043542320/?ref_=otl_1

Actor has been unmasked by Dutch national newspaper “Het Parool” (see nominator’s post). Actor sends out press releases for Nintendo game, but when you Google this game and Nintendo have no link at all. Also, it seems to be some sort of crowdfunding action: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/10/kickstarter_for_switch_twin-stick_shooter_hyperparasite_launches_next_week

With no follow-up, confirmation or release date whatsoever. The developer's games do not look professional.

Also, 2 other accounts here (the only accounts making edits to the page Vincent van Ommen) have been blocked because of vandalism, and have been unmasked as sockpuppets and user HM Wilburt has been unmasked as subject by Wikipedia moderators and our research.

But, like I said, even if all of these questionable companies and projects were true, they are still not encyclopedic, professional projects. In the entertainment industry there is a big separation between paid, legit projects professionally produced, distributed and cast, and the amateur, student, low-budget circuit. In other words, then the necessary credits for a personal page for this actor would still be missing. It looks like the actor is creating a whole media circus online, it's just that the real credits are missing. The credits of this actor would be a perfectly fine addition to a relevant actor's article as side jobs had the actor himself been relevant. Now it's only this.

None of the projects have been in the cinema or on tv. It’s clear that this actor has not worked on any major or professional mainstream projects and is not relevant for Wikipedia. Most of the pages created by HM Wilburt about the low-budget, 10 minute student shorts in question are neither.

Contributor HM Wilburt must learn that adding 6 sources to the article claiming that it would make something like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z3GHHkRA0k&t=4s legit, doesn't quite understand how it works. You can add 50 more, but it does not make an amateur circuit professional.

Our investigation was much more elaborate than what we can describe here but we wanted to keep it brief. We also only used some examples that are already openly online. But this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Thank you, on behalf of Tom, Vera, Jonas, Artie, Sjoerd, Frank, Rachita, Bruno, The Dutch filmindustry, the international filmindustry, the video game industry and Wikipedia. Verabo (talk) 11:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Well, where to begin. First the personal accusations. I created my account via my campus-housing (i was student back then). I never vandalized articles and i'm not aware of others abusing my account. Then i'm supposed to be "unmasked" by moderators? I didn't receive a message or anything about unmasking or anything related. But for the sake of transparency I do have a vested interest via my time spend editing the article but not more or less than other articles I've edited.

Before i comment on the rest it should be pointed out that the above account was literally created to post only the above message on the English and Dutch wiki and has only this edit. The account seems to be a Single-purpose account. Creating a legitimate reason for users to question whether their editing and comments appear to be neutral. Suspicious to say the least. .

Apart from the huge reaches and drama the above user makes in their amateur sleuthing attempt, i'll instead stick to what applies to Wiki.

Above user claims that hyperparasite won't be released on Nintendo Switch. However a 10 second google search shows the opposite. Here is the official Nintendo trailer, and here the game is actually being played on the Switch itself, more here HyperParasite will release on the Nintendo eShop for Nintendo Switch worldwide in 2019. It's even on IGN's upcoming Nintendo Switch 2019 games list here. Subject seems to be the main actor for the game.

Above user makes claims that other video games are untracable and are listed as tv series on IMDB and it is "one big mess". Because of the above users lack knowledge about IMDB, the users doesn't know that animations are labeled series/tv-series on IMDB. IMDB doesn't have a tag for digital content (youtube/vimeo/streaminservices alike). I could easily find all of them on youtube. This further acknowledges that the above user is reaching to fill the holes in their "research".

Most of his other games are easily found on Steam, ,.

Above user claims that Subject's projects haven't been on TV but they have, eg. Verloren Jaren (aka Lost Years) was on TV, screened at the major festival Film by the Sea and was released on dvd. Stop! was also shown on TV in DWDD and EditieNL (just like the article says) and was screened at the IFFR, and Amsterdam Heavy was released all over the world (America, UK, asia, russia, europe).

Also the above account mentions the same filmblogger as user before that. Claiming the subject was "unmasked" for sending out press releases. I'll just repeat my previous response: sending out press releases is commonpractice in the entertainment industry. They have publicists that do that. Also that same blogger was rejected at the Cannes screening of one of subject's movies and then made similar negative remarks on his own personal filmblog.

The above user mostly comes with subjective drama as reason for deletion. Maybe they don't like what the subjects says in his interviews but the fact is that subject gets interviews (not what he says in them) and therefor passes SIGCOV. Other working actors don't get interviews or media coverage. Subject does, so notability seems apparent. And the interviews (2 page spread, front page, cover photo, etc) are deep enough to pass RS coverage.

Then all these weird claims that Subject created accounts on lists and paid for press-junkets? Really? Writing that is just sad and reeks of Truthiness. Looks like the above person is writing this to support some amateur sleuthing attempt. HM Wilburt (talk) 13:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Please, do not edit inside other peoples edits
 * Do not judge a single edit as being from an Single-Purpose account
 * Discuss the content, not the editor.
 * The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 15:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Hello, article is well written, has a lot of different independent sources, he was also recently in the news. Maybe adding those sources helps :-) 🌝Lucas🌞B🌎1991 (talk) 21:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Which reliable independent sources do you mean? Being recently in the news (probably because of an own press release) obviously isn't enough to meet the general notability guideline and WP:SUSTAINED. Encycloon (talk) 11:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Gold level imdb-pro contributor with over 10k accepted contributions here to help. Verabo writes that the imdbpage in question is 1) full of games with nothing more than a title, 2) some of them listed as tv-series and 3) that interviews are credited as acting jobs. I have researched the imdbpage. The mentioned titles are actually animated series not games, and are easily found under External Sites. Imdb lists them as series because imdb does not have digital content tags. Point 3, interviews credited as acting jobs, this is in fact not the case. All interviews are credited under Self and then himself or herself. This is correct and the proper way to do it. Acting credits are listed under Film or TV. This was correctly handled by imdb. And is not an argument for deletion. Seems that Verabo is inexperienced with the use of imdb. That is okay, not everybody can know everything but one should not make assumptions just because one lacks the understanding.

About press releases. I hope that I can help. All more established actors and filmmakers have publicists. Publicists handle all the pr and press releases. On his imdbpro page i can see he has a publicist. I see no convincing reason to doubt his publicist handles his pr. Additionally, I would not label printed press releases as a paid source. All sites vet, fact check before publishing and printing especially in printed interviews. If there are any more imdb related questions at all please talkpage me.

As for the article I see no convincing reason to doubt the projects exist. The dead links are simply a case of WP:NEGLECT and not an argument for deletion. Enough other significant coverage can be found online. The article passes WP:BASIC and GNG. However, if no clear consensus is found the article should at a minimum remain a stub. I will leave this for the closing administrator to decide. SimonRichter1337 (talk) 13:29, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SimonRichter1337 has been unmasked as Vincent van Ommen, subject of the page.

After extensive investigation the Dutch article has, needless to say, been deleted, actor worked on nothing more than a few low-budget amateur shorts and has been unmasked by national press. Not encyclopedic. He was able to fool many people for years.

"As for the article I see no convincing reason to doubt the projects exist." It's not about if the projects exist, it's about that they are not encyclopedic.

Actor mentions above his IMDB user profile is: https://www.imdb.com/user/ur16901215/ but this could very well be a cover up to try and hide his real identity. Earlier in the deletion discussion our investigation has found that this user: https://www.imdb.com/user/ur53635232/ has added Vincent van Ommen to these lists: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls070316665/?ref_=otl_2 https://www.imdb.com/list/ls043542320/?ref_=otl_1

Nobody would ever put Vincent van Ommen in these lists except himself

Then there's also the IMDB pro-page of Vincent van Ommen himself. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2894092/

People are currently looking into which of these 3 profiles is responsible for creating the mess around Vincent van Ommen.

"All more established actors and filmmakers have publicists". Except this is not an established actor.

Publicist and management on his IMDB page are made up. www.sopublicist.com doesn't exist. Supposed Management www.eliterosemanagement.com also does not exist.

Everything is a facade.

Thank you, on behalf of Tom, Vera, Jonas, Artie, Sjoerd, Frank, Rachita, Bruno, The Dutch filmindustry, the international filmindustry, the video game industry, IMDB and Wikipedia

Verabo (talk) 09:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment User Verabo, you can only vote once. Voting multiple times doesn't do anything. You also make no sense, first you accuse me of being "unmasked" as the subject but now someone else is also "unmasked" as the subject? At this point you are just throwing out accusations based on nothing more then emotions. At this point it looks like you have some personal vendetta. It's very easy, let an admin do a CheckUser and confirm you are wrong. Also you are a Single-purpose account with no NPOV that claims to write on behalf of 8 people and the dutch film industry and the international film industry and wikipedia (oh please). HM Wilburt (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you please stop your personal attacks and concentrate on the content? The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 11:11, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Why do you only reply like that to me but not User Verabo. And why do you keep removing SPA tags from User Verabo. Is there a connection between you and User Verabo? HM Wilburt (talk) 11:13, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Verabo uses content arguments, you are only attacking. So please, use only content arguments. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 11:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I give feedback on the issues of Verabo's imdb research and you personally attack me? Is this how the wiki community is? If one cannot handle feedback on their research, please do not attack the person but listen to their arguments. Do not attack me. Moreover, no, I am not the actor. You are making an ill-considered accusation and it is not WP:CIVIL. I have no qualms if the closing administrator would do a checkuser/ipcheck to proof it. Please strike-through the uncivil comments or re-word it calmly and neutrally.

Verabo claims that the actor is the same person that made these lists on imdb. I have researched the lists. I cannot find any proof supporting that claim. Verabo makes it based on assumption not factual proof. Verabo further claims that everything is a facade and that the publicist www.sopublicist.com does not exist. My research shows that the website has not been updated on imdbpro and should be www.so-pr.com. It is the same company and does exist. The other point is that beginning actors in fact do not have a publicist or manager. Only more established actors have that. You may not agree with it because it does not support your point-of-view but that is how it is. However, none of this is an argument for deletion. If there are any more imdb related questions at all please talkpage me.

As for the page, I see no convincing reason to delete the article. Actor has been in multiple feature films and has gotten significant coverage from that. Actor is also part of a professional film jury, which includes other notable filmmakers, so notability is apparent. Enough other significant coverage can be found online. The article passes WP:BASIC and GNG. We should not base research on assumptions and should be open to change our views if shown the opposite to be the case. Please do not personally attack other users again Verabo. SimonRichter1337 (talk) 16:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Let me make something very clear, we know that actor is very active on IMDB and we know exactly what he does and how he does it. There are already many people involved and steps will be taken. IMDB might accept 3 minute cosplay phone clips as a legit movie, Wikipedia does not. IMDB is also for amateur projects. Claiming "you can't find any proof" of the person adding this actor to that Hollywood lists is a wasted claim. We are on top of it and all involved accounts.

In your previous message you defend all the random press messages by saying "established actors have publicists for the press messages". Now you claim that beginning actors, in fact, do not have a publicist or manager. And all of a sudden it is adjusted on the page of the actor too. Furthermore, the agency does not work with or for actor and the management does not exist at all.

The profile HM Wilburt has been unmasked as subject in 3 different ways in the Netherlands and so is "SimonRichter1337". We would understand this reaction "It's very easy, let an admin do a CheckUser and confirm you are wrong!" more if it was placed under his new account "SimonRichter1337". Because now it looks like user HM Wilburt just dug himself a deeper hole. Because how on earth would user HM Wilburt know the relationship between Vincent van Ommen and SimonRichter1337? Clearly user HM Wilburt claims to know exactly that subject and SimonRichter1337 have different IP addresses? Maybe he forgot to log into the right profile, maybe the new ip address is less easily accessible. We knew about the new profile from the moment it was created. People do not fall for these tricks and they annoyingly only distract from the point.

The point is that subject is not encyclopedic and has only done some low budget projects. That is why his Dutch page was unmasked, investigated and removed. He tried to mask this for years by creating a big bubble. Distraction seems to be the bigger problem in general, in everything described above, in all the links, in all the long previous discussions and unmaskings in the Netherlands. We have to look at the bigger picture here, it's not about who is right or wrong or how much distraction a certain party tries to throw in. It's about relevance.

We can re add all links, information and discussions again, but that would be redundant.

Thank you, on behalf of Tom, Vera, Jonas, Artie, Sjoerd, Frank, Rachita, Bruno, The Dutch filmindustry, the international filmindustry, the vidoe game industry, IMDB and Wikipedia

Verabo (talk) 17:55, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As The Banner said: Discuss the content, not the editor. This applies to all of us. Keep it civil. Thank you, on behalf of everyone you are attacking at the moment HM Wilburt (talk) 18:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment A CheckUser request was submitted by nominator to check if Verabo's claims about sockpuppetry and being "unmasked" were true. The result of the investigation is that it is NOT (result CheckUsers here). All accounts are unrelated. There are no sockpuppets and nobody here is Subject/Actor. This proves that the case Verabo is making is untrue. So Verabo please stop attacking me and other users. Strike through your false claims. And make no more fake claims of "unmasking" users. Also please strikethrough/edit your 2nd Delete vote. You can only vote once. Like The Banner wrote lets "stick to the actual content". Thanks and lets all try to remain civil from now on. HM Wilburt (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you are forgetting to tell that you filed a revenge SPI that was considered "purely disruptive" and was removed without a check, making your claims also unreliable. So stop harassing other users and concentrate on the content. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:16, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Discuss the content, not the editor. HM Wilburt (talk) 21:18, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

That's not what you are doing in the above comment, so it's only ok if it's in your favor?

Besides, it's hard when the editor is the content. Vincent van Ommen is HM Wilburt and has been unmasked in 3 different ways, which we can not all mention here due to discretion. But we have found the location where the edits were done from. There is no discussion about that. This was a national fraud case and is now turning international. There are now dozens of people involved and not only on Wikipedia. Under this username he has been warned several times for vandalizing other pages and he attracked attention by being the only one constantly adding nonsense to the page Vincent van Ommen, and came up with the most far fetched, shadowy sources. That is how it all started months ago and why things escalated in the Netherlands. He is the only contributor to everything Vincent van Ommen related. He was able to fool people for years with delusions of grandeur.

But not only on Wikipedia, also on IMDB and in the media and everywhere else he tried to make low-budget shorts to look like big movies and some media fell for it. Even Dutch newspaper “Het Parool” wrote about the unmasking, wondering who this guy is, a completely unknown sending out press releases about himself. In our opinion this has a lot do do with the content and discussion here. It is the essence of the problem.

The sock puppet accounts who were unmasked and blocked in 2015 together made numerous edits to the page Vincent van Ommen and were vandalizing other actor’s profiles and were blocked because of it. They all came from the same dorm. So this actor has a history of doing exactly that.

OF COURSE he has another ip address now, 4 years later. And now, he has been unmasked and his Dutch Wikipedia is deleted, this week suddenly another profile shows up in the deletion discussion of his article on the English Wikipedia, using the same far fetched sources and aggressive reaction techniques, the extreme focus on unknown actor Vincent van Ommen, claiming to be new but using very rare Wikipedia templates, so of course we immediately started investigating again. Both HM Wilburt and SimonRichter1337 state the exact same lines in the discussion, and by accident, HM Wilburt even reacted on something which he couldn’t have known, like described above, namely that he was absolutely sure that Vincent van Ommen and SimonRichter1337 do not have the same ip address. How would he know?

And then to top it all off both HM Wilburt and SimonRichter1337 claim that an editor should definitely do an ip check!!

So he used another ip address, maybe at his parents, maybe at a friend, what does that say? We had already found out that his new account was made on another ip address. So what is the point of comparing ip’s and these with those of 5 years ago? Also, it stated that the old ip's re not checkable by the system anymore.

So this sockpuppet check is completely worthless and only proves that his behavior was noticed and punished before.

But let’s discuss the content:

His “awards”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z3GHHkRA0k&t=4s

His “movies”:

Stop!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj3KPvZWn1Q&t=4s

A Morass:

https://vimeo.com/39928137

Reiki: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1201649/videoplayer/vi1468967961?ref_=vi_nxt_ap

“movies”

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3156628/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_25

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5476716/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_31

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5197368/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_34

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5350166/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_38

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6474054/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_39

And we could go on and on and on...

Is there anything to discuss?

Is there actually anyone besides subject himself that thinks this actor is relevant? Which lead roles in which renowned movies make him E? This is just minor roles in cosplay and amateur projects. If the projects exist at all that is, many only seem a microsoft paint picture or a trailer.

Thank you, on behalf of Tom, Vera, Jonas, Artie, Sjoerd, Frank, Rachita, Bruno, The Dutch filmindustry, the international filmindustry, the video game industry, IMDB and Wikipedia. Verabo (talk) 09:08, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Nuvola apps important.svg Verabo please stop your disruptive behavior. You've been warned multiple times in this AfD and on your TalkPage. Your behavior of accusations, assumptions and uncivility have disrupted the AfD to a point that the nominator felt the need to request an SPI. The result of the SPI is that 'your accusations are untrue'. Yet you refuse to strike through or edit your false claims and 2nd delete vote and you continue your disruptive behavior. It appears you are purposefully harassing other editors. Wikipedia aims to provide a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing other users, as you are doing, potentially compromises that safe environment. If you continue behaving like this, you may be blocked from editing. HM Wilburt (talk) 09:37, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

It is actually constructive and necessary information. But good, let's agree to disagree and let others investigate it themselves and draw conclusions. Let's discuss the content, not the editor.

Thank you, on behalf of Tom, Vera, Jonas, Artie, Sjoerd, Frank, Rachita, Bruno, The Dutch filmindustry, the international filmindustry, the video game industry, IMDB and Wikipedia. Verabo (talk) 09:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.