Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vincenzo Pellegrino


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The result was keep. The nominator, Davey2010, thinks it might be the case that tabloid sources cannot be used, however, our official guideline, Identifying reliable sources, does not say that. Davey may be thinking of the essay Potentially unreliable sources, but even that does not say do not use them. It merely says that they "should be used with caution, especially if they are making sensational claims." From Davey's later comments, I am taking it that he no longer supports deletion, even though he has not offered a bolded !vote. SpinningSpark 19:10, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Vincenzo Pellegrino

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Non notable actor, Can't find any evidence of notability, Fails NACTOR & GNG – Davey 2010 Talk 18:39, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. North America1000 20:28, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:45, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Non-notable bit-part actor. Narky Blert (talk) 01:47, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Had a longstanding major role in one of the most significant series on British television (Casualty). Hasn't done a lot else significant, admittedly, but that was most certainly not a "bit part". -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:42, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not gonna lie the list of things they've been in is impressive however they've been in 26 TV programmes/films yet there's barely nothing to confirm any of it (found a few mentions but nothing substantial), As they were born in the 60s/70s I don't expect sources to be amazing etc etc however I do expect a bit more than just a few mentions, As with any other AFD I have no issues at all with redirecting or ofcourse if you can find anything substantial I'd be more than happy to Withdraw. – Davey 2010 Talk 15:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:18, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete It's hard to see evidence of "...significant roles in multiple notable...television shows..." per WP:NACTOR (I count one significant role and multiple character roles) and he doesn't seem to otherwise meet the basic notability criteria. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as blatantly trivial and unconvincing works and that's the obvious part here, "potentially notable in the future" be damned. SwisterTwister   talk  07:30, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "He thinks drama school was a waste of time, sneered when the teachers told him to dance with an imaginary ball and scored the lowest mark in the year when he graduated. But for 'the boy most unlikely to succeed', Vincenzo Pellegrino is doing pretty well for himself. Although he has since made a name for himself in Casualty, Where The Heart Is and now MIT: Murder Investigation Team, he is still angry about his time as a drama student. ... Vince's grounded attitude is largely down to growing up in a struggling working-class family in Liverpool. His Italian dad Dino and mum Sylvia worked hard to send their three children to college. His sister Nicky, 38, is now a journalist in New Zealand and his brother Eduardo, 27, is doing a PhD in theoretical physics.  When Vince left Mosslands Comp with three A-levels, he didn't have a clue what he wanted to do. He was kicked off a sociology course at Birmingham Polytechnic after a few days and returned to Liverpool, then went to work alongside his dad at a fridge factory. ... He was 23 when he finally decided acting was his dream job, but studying drama at Manchester Metropolitan University was a rude awakening."  The article notes: "He may play one of telly's most likeable guys, but Vincenzo Pellegrino says he'd prefer it if audiences hated him occasionally! The Liverpudlian actor, now into his second series of Where The Heart Is as hunky nurse Chris Eckersley, isn't entirely happy with his nice guy image. But judging by his current storylines, he's not about to lose it. ... So don't expect Chris to become a permanent Skelthwaite resident. He's happy to go back for another series, but anything longer term is doubtful for the actor, who's single and lives in Bristol. ... When he's filming Where The Heart Is Vincenzo lives in a hotel in Huddersfield, and he has been guilty of the odd prank, including one which meant hotel guests being evacuated in the night!" <li> The article notes: "NEW dad Vincenzo Pellegrino says he has the perfect incentive too work hard - his new baby daughter. Daughter Hattie - short for Harriet - is now seven months old and the former Casualty and Holby City actor says she can already wind him around her tiny baby finger. ... Vincenzo, whose Italian roots come from his father Dino, lied about his age to get his first TV role in Crocodile Shoes. He played an 18-year-old when he was, in fact, 26. He went on to take up the role of hospital porter Derek 'Sunny' Sunderland in Casualty and Holby City and now owns a house in Bristol where the programmes are filmed. His medical credentials continued with him playing district nurse Chris Eckersley in ITV's Where the Heart Is and forensic scientist Dr Fergus Gallagher in MIT: Murder Investigation Team."</li> <li> The article notes: "Casualty porter Derek 'Sunny' Sutherland is one of Vincenzo Pellegrino's first major TV roles. But he's no newcomer - Vincenzo starred in the movie Peggy Sue and also in Jimmy Nail's Country & Western saga, Crocodile Shoes. Name: Vincenzo Pellegrino. Age: 30." This article cannot be used to establish notability because it is an interview, but it can be used to verify information in the article.</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Vincenzo Pellegrino to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 08:08, 6 December 2016 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Unfortunately Daily Mirror and The Sun cannot be used in articles as they're tabloid newspapers, Thanks for finding those tho, – Davey 2010 Talk 11:11, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Davey2010, I am aware of no such policy, nor of a hard line between "tabloid" and "non-tabloid" newspapers. My understanding is that major daily papers may carry more or less weight, but that the papers cited confer some degree of notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I couldn't tell you where or when but I recall someone somewhere saying that a few tabloid newspapers shouldn't be used, If these can indeed be used I would happily use them but as far as I know these couldn't or atleast shouldn't be used?, Anyway I'll ask at the help desk now, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 16:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * keep googled, and this Q&A, not yet in article or above, popped right up, Salisbury Journal, 18 June 2014 Q&A with actor Vincenzo Pellegrino, .  WP:MINIMUM.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:23, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Good find - If anyone can find anything beyond a two-bit mention I'm always happy to withdraw however as there's a few deletes above I can't really withdraw. – Davey 2010 Talk 16:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * So, I ran a proquest search, in addition to the 3 TV series, he's done quite a bit of stage work, here (TRUST NO-ONE Which former soap star is telling the truth in this mystery?, Beacom, Brian. Evening Times [Glasgow (UK)] 28 July 2005: 16. ) for example, is an article about a play he's, Framed!, based on a Malcolm Rose thriller, that describes him as a "soap star) and references both Casualty & Where The Heart Is.  Quite a lot of stories came up, actually, I scanned the listings and there seemed to be more than enough to put a pretty good article together.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * - Wait sorry I wasn't saying the source you provided was a two-bit mention - I was meaning as an overall thing - The source you provided is perfect, Ah I can't access that one as I need a proquest account (and it doesn't seem to recognise "English Wikipedia" as an Institution lol ... You can't blame me for trying! :), Anyway thanks for providing those 2 sources, I've asked at the Help Desk so if those others can be used I'll add them in, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 17:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I did get that.  Just, your comment prompted me to run a Proquest search, just checking my judgment.  I'll be interested to hear what  editors on that board have to say about your question.   Also,  I have been involved in AFDs where Noms in the position you are now in  iVoted keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh right sorry, Well thank you for finding more :), One editor reckons we can use them with caution but not sure how that can work out ?, As much as I love and follow IAR I really can't use it here, Sad times!, Anyway thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 18:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


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