Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vinculum: The ties that bind.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Vinculum: The ties that bind.

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Nonnotable comic book. The Evil Spartan 01:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete A quick google search shows up only one hit for this comic book. It is therefore impossible to verify the contents of this article from reliable sources. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 01:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, if something can't be found on a quick google search then it clearly doesn't exist. Unless you count maybe a book or something old fashioned like that.  Do they even have books anymore?  Nick mallory 02:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think even if it was, as you say "old fashioned", it would still have more than a single hit on google. I'm not sure on this one... -- Anonymous Dissident  Talk 02:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nick on this one: a Google search is not an end-all. While in this case one hit is definitely a indication that this is not a well-known work, I would not make the same conclusion you did based on that result. ALTON   .ıl  02:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions.  -- Artw 02:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete appears to be a vanity page. Artw 03:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless sources are found to give notability.  The burden of proof to produce these sources are on the people who do not want to delete this Corpx 06:37, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as vanity - the creator and only editor of the page is Luije, who has the same name as the comic's author and who has made no non-Vinculum-related contributions to Wikipedia. The article outlines the plot of the first twelve issues, but says that only a preview issue and the first issue have been published.  It's claimed that these issues have been 'hugely successful' and have received 'great reviews' but no evidence of this is provided and I find none on Google.  No, a Google search is not the be-all-and-end-all -- but given the first issue of the comic was only published this month I doubt any books have been written about it yet.  If/when a book or article or, heck, anything written by someone other than the author appears, I'll be happy to reconsider. --Zeborah 10:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's talk. I appologize if this is not proper protocol, as some of you have already mentioned I am new here submiting work to Wiki, so I am not entirely sure if this is how one proceeds in order to argue his point as to why a page should stay or be deleted, but I will proceed to address some of your concerns. 1. For those of you who doubt that the comic book exists or not, before sending the page to the electric chair I encourage you to call Graham Cracker Comics in Chicago (they have 9 different locations throughout the Chicago area and they currently carry the title). You may also call Metro Comics in San Juan, Puerto Rico another retailer who not only carries the title, they are actually sponsoring a signing with the creators next saturday at a local mall from 11am-3pm. You may also call the marketing offices of Nissan Motors Puerto Rico & Coca-Cola Caribbean who sponsor the book and have provided funding to cover the production, advertising and public relations costs. If you visit my personal page http://luije.deviantart.com you will read the commets and reviews of some of the fans that have written there and you will see that there have been over 500 hits in less than 2 weeks, all dedicated to Vinculum (since that's all there is). Also the official page for the comic book http://www.vinculumnow.com has received over 2,300 hits in less than 2 weeks. Around 400 of those hits were made on the opening weekend that we were in the Comic Con in Chicago promoting the book where we met with the editors of the top 5 publishing companies and they all seemed to be impressed and two of them actually have followed-up requesting a second metting. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, like I said before I'm a rookie... but isn't Wikipedia supposed to be an online tool to provide people with information regarding things that they don't know about? To help clarify doutbts? So if for example someone like Władysław Grabski (a polish politician) doesn't get enough hits... his page get's deleted based on lack of interest? Isn't that precisely why we look in encyclopedias, to find out more about the things that we know little about? If you have any suggestions or actual critisism as to how the content of the page should be changed, rewritten, edited, etc... please let me know. Like I said I have never submited anything to Wiki before. I'll be more than glad to adjust the contents to fit the form. But to delete the entry claiming that the sources are not verifiable because it didn't show up on a Google search? I find that to be very a very shallow investigation. Plus, I don't know why you say it didn't give you any results, when not only does it give you my deviantart page as the first finding but there are also 3 google ads campaigns running right now with banners and all promoting the official webpage. If any of you would like an actual copy of the book, send me a note with your physical address and I'll be more than glad to send it you. Anything else that you may requiere from me, please feel free to contact me as well. Thank you very much before hand for your help in this matter.   Luije 17:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Its not lack of interest, but lack of notability.  It does not appear that this comic book has been reviewed by critics or otherwise received coverage from reliable sources.   We rely on this so people do not use this encyclopedia for advertising/promotion.   Corpx 18:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete I sincerely wish Luije the best luck for this and his future endeavours, but the above arguments and finally his own defence of the article has convinced me that there not yet good grounds (that is, external reviews, independent articles about it etc.) for considering the subject notable. --Goochelaar 20:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - it's not about truth, but about verifiability, and unless someone besides the creator has written something about this comic, it's not notable. The Library of Congress doesn't know it or its author. --Huon 22:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.