Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vineta-Festspiele


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 00:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Vineta-Festspiele

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Contested prod where the original creator claimed to not do prods. No information of value has been added, and sources are extremely limited. Not enough coverage in third party sources to merit its own article. Comparable to a town fair. The Undead Never Die (talk) 06:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Keep Nothing evil in the fact that an article is a stub. Meets GNG.♦ Dr. Blofeld  06:47, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note I'd like to bring attention to this comment made by the original creator of the article, Dr. Blofeld. The Undead Never Die (talk) 06:48, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're an idiot, because no decent editor would nominate something which very clearly meets GNG   . The article was expanded since the prod. This is more a POINT issue in me removing the prod than it not being notable. We'll see who is proved right after the AFD.♦  Dr. Blofeld  06:59, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You realize that those "books" are literally just listing this place as a "thing to do" and then go on to put it's official website in parentheses right? That does not pass notability guidelines per the sources you've dug up. The German article; which you so brashly said to transfer information over from; is just as empty as this article is. Also, it's best to watch your tone around here. Your personal attacks aren't warranted nor allowed. The Undead Never Die (talk) 07:27, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It attracts 20,000 spectators!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - Whatever bad blood exists between two users aside, it appears like the article describes something that's notable, beyond a mere local town fair and more like a major undertaking. The performances are interesting enough for the likes of Focus to take note, and I see references also in German language books in just a bit of searching. I can't read German, so I can't do much to improve the article, but I think it should be kept. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:23, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note I can speak German fluently. The article you listed doesn't talk about the place; but rather the event going on there. It's going on about The Day of the King. The Undead Never Die (talk) 07:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep  From the many readily accessible sources it's "comparable to a town fair" only in the sense of being "relatively" a whole lot bigger, more professionally produced and more elaborate than the scale of town fair the contributor evidently has in mind.   Though I'm not sure why being comparable to a town fair necessarily reduces the value of the entry.


 * The value of the entry IS diminished by its brevity, however.  The "google button" provides plenty of opportunities to address that.   Wikipedia's founders - or at least the ones that we hear from - have eye watering ambitions for the scope of the project.   You can build the thing or you can restrict it by deleting entries on subjects that don't interest you personally, that have been started by people you don't much like.   In this case, especially if you can read German fluently, there is clearly opportunity for you to use your time building the entry into something more informative and - one hopes - something that you yourself will find more interesting than, right now, you do.   Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:14, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Backed up by reliable secondary sources and a festival of 20,000 people meets the notability criteria. Something like that in England or the US I'm sure will have its own article. JAG  UAR   11:06, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, notable, sourced, can be expanded but doesn't have to be. I suggest to have English translation Vineta Festival, for those who don't know Festspiele. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:14, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - the coverage is a bit touristy (it's a festival after all), but the sources themselves are reliable major German media and cover the topic in-depth and sufficiently neutral. I agree with Gerda Arendt's suggestion to use an English title (and mention the German original name in the first sentence). GermanJoe (talk) 22:58, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - If this article does survive, then I also recommend moving it to Vineta Festival. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:55, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.