Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vintage snowmobiling


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. While the subject might be worthy of an article, something the deletion !voters do mostly agree with, there is consensus here that the article in its current form it's not worthy of inclusion and there is no material that could be salvaged from it. As such, per WP:DEL, this article, as only consisting of material unsuitable for inclusion, can be deleted. The consensus here is not against a recreation that covers the subject itself though. Regards  So Why  16:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Vintage_snowmobiling
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Cannot find reliable sources indicating notability of subject. Google search brings up various vintage snowmobile organizations around North America, but I couldn't find any third party sources. Article as it currently stands seems to be about one particular vintage snowmobiling organization, not the topic in general, and consists mainly of a how-to on restoring vintage snowmobiles. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Section 3 is a how to, this is one of the things wikipedia is not. (per: WP:NOTGUIDE) Also, no reliable sources for the rest of the article, and if we removed section three, the rest might quailify as CSD A1. --MWOAP (talk) 15:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Agree with nom -- "There is a $50 entrance fee"?  This is totally unencyclopedic: half club rules and half a how-to guide.    Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 15:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: I should say that I did find a lot of articles in local papers either mentioning that there would be a vintage snowmobile show or race, either as a stand-alone event, or as part of a larger winter festival, and a few "area man enjoys passion for vintage snowmobiles" stories, also in local papers, but even though some of these claimed "it's a bigger hobby than people realize," or "it's really been growing in the past few years," none seemed, in my opinion, to be substantial enough articles in large enough publications to really establish notability. Probably the most mainstream source I found was this, from Minn. Public Radio, and even it seems more like a promo for a couple of events.  Just felt I should disclose what I did manage to find, to be fair. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 17:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Per above and even if there really are more good sources out there, it needs to be rewritten, almost from scratch.  fetch  comms  ☛ 20:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I found the Vintage Snowmobile Club of America, which produces a quarterly magazine; a Pacific Northwest Vintage Snowmobile Club, and a New Hampshire Snowmobile Museum Association.  With those three sources plus the rest of what has been found there should be enough to create a plausible article with this title.  Edward Vielmetti (talk) 07:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per Edward Vielmetti. Willing to give this one the benefit of the doubt, with some sourcing that shows the sport is widespread and notable. The article will need a great deal of work, though. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 17:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I guess I don't understand whether this article is supposed to be about one group of snowmobilers, or a general activity called "vintage snowmobiling."  If the former, the title is wrong and the club is non-notable; if the latter, the activity seems weakly notable but the article itself is completely off topic.  Either way, the entire text of the article (club rules followed by a how-to guide) is unencyclopedic and needs to go, so I'm not sure I see a point in keeping the article unless someone says they want to develop it into an actual article about the general activity of vintage snowmobiling.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 18:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, a clean start would not be a bad idea, which is why I'm only weakly on the Keep side of things. The article would almost need to be stubbed. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 19:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I approached it under the assumption that the article should be about a general activity, not a single group. I was actually hoping I would find some sources that would warrant a rewrite along those lines, but what I found were articles in, as I said, local papers that were either "this guy really loves collecting old snowmobiles," or "come to the Winter festival January 14-18! There'll be ice sculpture, skating, ski jumping, and a vintage snowmobile race!"  I didn't see anything that really suggested a coherent activity that's been covered in any real way by third-party sources.  I'd love to see some dug up, to tell the truth. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 19:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If anyone wants to rewrite this article, I'll change to a keep, otherwise it's more of a delete.  fetch  comms  ☛ 01:34, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, topic is not discussed in secondary sources, and the treatment of the topic is how-to and wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia. I suggest that the author work on improving coverage of the topic in http://www.wikihow.com and http://wikitravel.org  Abductive  (reasoning) 01:48, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The subject is somewhat notable as Edward Vielmetti indicates. To allay some of the concerns, there is Vintage snowmobile a stubby article that can be used to perhaps redirect this article and to incorporate any notable sourced information about such organizations. -- Pink Bull  04:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.