Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viola Wyse


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Viola Wyse

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Article does not cite references to justify notability and has been created with promotional content/tone with the intent of promoting the upcoming occasion. Refer Talk:Viola_Wyse TopCipher (talk) 18:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Tone issues have been fixed, and sources cited satisfy the notability baseline.--ragesoss (talk) 18:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. While a First Nations chief may be able to qualify for an article under WP:NPOL #2 ("Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage") if they can actually be sourced over WP:GNG for career coverage that was published while they were chief, they're not automatically entitled to have articles just because they existed. Politically speaking, they're equivalent to mayors of municipalities, not to national heads of state, and thus are judged by the same inclusion or exclusion standards as mayors — and the standard for mayors is "if shown to clear GNG", not "all mayors automatically get articles because mayor, regardless of sourceability". And for sourcing, what we have here is primarily her paid-inclusion death notices in the classifieds — a type of sourcing that would exist for every single person who ever lived, regardless of their notability or lack thereof in life — and one glancing namecheck of her existence in an article, published a year and a half after her death, which isn't substantively about her. This simply is not enough sourcing to clear GNG, and nothing in the article is significant enough to exempt her from having to clear GNG. Bearcat (talk) 17:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. 1. Tone issues are fixed. 2. There's no connection to any event or occasion. 3. Her notability as first female chief of her tribe and her accomplishments therein are documented in the 1,600 word obituary article from Nanaimo Daily News, accessed on Lexis Nexus -- that was not a paid piece. There is work to do in adding Firekeepers of the Twenty-First Century: First Nations Women Chiefs by Cora J. Voyageur (Editor) (2008) and developing the page out a little, however references satisfy WP:GNG for a stub. Shameran81 (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Keeping in mind that this article is still a stub, it's sources satisfy the notability requirement. Viola Wyse has been one of the main subjects of a doctoral thesis and is mentioned in another. For what it's worth, her obit also appears on an article entitled Notable deaths of 2009. As far as Bearcat's comparison to mayors go, you can find articles about non-indigenous, male Canadian mayors that are smaller in size and with less citations than Wyse's, without being flagged as a stub or for deletion. Louize5 (talk) 23:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If you can find any "articles about non-indigenous, male Canadian mayors that are smaller in size and with less citations than Wyse's", then bring 'em on and they'll get listed for deletion. It's certainly not a thing that entitles a person to have an article kept in and of itself, though it's true that it's impossible for us to prevent somebody from trying to write an article about anything they want — which is why WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is considered an argument to avoid in deletion discussions: the existence of an Article B that has no stronger basis for inclusion than Article A has isn't proof that Article A should be kept; it's proof that Article B should be deleted too and nobody's seen it yet. But a place has to have a population close to 100K before "person was a mayor" is prima facie grounds for an article regardless of whether it already demonstrates a clean GNG pass or not — so no, we wouldn't typically keep mayors of places this size or smaller that weren't significantly better sourced than this is. Bearcat (talk) 23:17, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 03:40, 12 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak delete. The sources are quite weak, and I couldn't find better ones. The obituaries both appear to be paid-placement, and the news articles mention her only in her role as representative of her nation. The best sources I could find are and . Consider merging this page into Snuneymuxw First Nation unless better sources can be found to satisfy WP:ANYBIO. Pburka (talk) 21:25, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I hadn't seen the comments from User:Shameran81 about off-line sources. If she received a significant, unpaid obituary, and is covered in Firekeepers of the Twenty-First Century, she should pass WP:ANYBIO. Pburka (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947  04:19, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. per Shameran81, whose arguments (which I take at face value) are persuasive. The source contributed by Louize5 also helps. We need to be open to --- and in fact encouraging of -- interesting articles to be written which depend on non-online, sometimes hard to find sources. Martinp (talk) 03:19, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


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