Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virgil Howe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:02, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Virgil Howe

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Keyboard player for Little Barrie but no evidence of independent notability, apart from having "drummed for a period" with another band (of which there is no detail or proof). Unfortunately he died yesterday and has understandably had tributes published in various publications, but these consist entirely of lists of (Twitter etc.) messages of condolence. Not what I'd call significant independent coverage. Suggest charitably it is (re) re-directed to Little Barrie. Sionk (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I created this page back in 2006. Various individuals then inputted into the article, but the main content was from me. It existed until Oct 2016 when re-directed it to Little Barrie for whom he drums (not keyboards, although he plays keys in other projects). I didn't say anything at the time: I think standards have evolved since 2006 and what I'd done then and his level of notability back then probably wouldn't be seen as adequate today. However, Howe's stock has risen since then. Howe's death was announced late last night. An IP editor reverted Sionk's re-direction edit and various people, but chiefly me, have been working on it since. The news of Howe's death has attracted articles in major UK newspapers (e.g. The Independent, Mirror, The Sun) and the music press (e.g. NME). I think that degree of coverage demonstrates notability. No, they're not all terribly detailed articles, but then the news hasn't been out long and his death was unexpected. Given the recency of his death, it seems slightly pointless to start an AfD now, if I might say so. Why not give it a few days and see (a) what the current flurry of editing produces, and (b) what else is published? Bondegezou (talk) 17:54, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:25, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:25, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Little Barrie as suggested. WP:BAND states "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases."  The article does state that he produced one album, but unless it charted or had a national/international tour as the criteria state, it wouldn't merit him an article on his own(regretfully). 331dot (talk) 18:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Striking my redirect idea as I'm now a bit clearer on this; consider me a Weak keep. 331dot (talk) 22:36, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment He's done much more than one album outside of Little Barrie, but this wasn't well described in the article. I've added a Virgil_Howe section to make it clearer. Still a work in progress, but plenty there. Bondegezou (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Aside from his work with Little Barrie, the output with Steve Howe and his session work should satisfy WP:BAND. Needs a few more references, but with those I think it stands up well enough. Plus it's well written and fairly detailed, not the usual rubbish. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:00, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Which aspect of WP:BAND is met by his work with Steve? 331dot (talk) 23:13, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles" – Steve Howe (The Steve Howe band, if you like) and Little Barrie are both notable acts. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per Bondegezou's comments above and the reliable sources discussing Howe's work already present in the article. 28bytes (talk) 12:03, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep The output seems to meet WP:BAND and the detail is good. Bluebonnet07 (talk) 15:41, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Again, having a lot of detail isn't a qualifying condition of WP:GNG. Anyone can find a lot of detail from record company websites, fansites and social media. Sionk (talk) 17:31, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


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