Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virgin Media Television


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 15:32, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Virgin Media Television

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"Virgin Media Television (Ireland)" is the only company called "Virgin Media Television" in existence today. The former Virgin Media Television in the UK, Living TV Group, has no longer been in existence for almost eight years. As for the other two topics, Virgin Media Ireland is specified as Virgin Media Television's owner in the article, and Virgin TV can be specified with a hatnote. JE98 (talk) 02:00, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep "Because it's no longer named that" isn't a proper AfD rationale. This is causing no stress to the WMF servers, and it's a proper DAB page in every way. Living TV was called this at the start of en.wiki's existence, and the point of DAB pages is to leave crumbs to where pages has been in the past. I would also oppose lobbing on (disambiguation) to the title as adding needless letters to it.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 18:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - none of the entries are even called Virgin Media Television except for Virgin Media Television (Ireland). Currently, the dab page fails MOS:DABNOENTRY. If indeed Living TV Group was called that at one point, a hatnote should be enough per WP:ONEOTHER. --Gonnym (talk) 11:56, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KCVelaga (talk) 00:18, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is another entry: Virgin Media Television (2007–10), which was the WP:primary topic prior to its 13 July 2010 move to Living TV Group. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not really a valid entry for two reason. First, that article name does not comply with any naming guideline; and second, the name changed and per WP:NAMECHANGES that's a valid change for an article name change. If there are no other titles using the SAME NAME (and this isn't even mentioning a thing like WP:SMALLDETAILS which would allow the same name with different caps), then there is a clear primary topic (by merit of being the only topic), but even if this were a valid entry then per WP:ONEOTHER there is still no need for a disambiguation page and a hatnote should be enough. --Gonnym (talk) 11:36, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So what you're saying is that THIS was a fake website and there was never an entity that called itself "Virgin Media Television" in the UK, and the Republic of Ireland is the only country in the world that has ever had a thing called "Virgin Media Television"? wbm1058 (talk) 14:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The hatnote on Virgin TV is painful to read, and really should just be an other uses to this disambiguation. wbm1058 (talk) 14:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * To me the brand name "Virgin (Media) TV", with or without "Media", whether "Television" or "TV", is very ambiguous and doesn't clearly indicate whether it is a network, channel, or cable service. wbm1058 (talk) 14:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That wasn't what I was saying. I was saying that the link you presented including the parenthesis is not a valid article title name based on relevant naming convention guidelines. I was also saying, that a past name that isn't even used as the current title for the article, is not a valid argument for blocking the only article using said title as its primary topic. As for what the hatnote says, I really don't care, as I wasn't the one who wrote it, but based on WP:ONEOTHER a hatnote should be enough and it does not merit a disambiguation page. I'll even add, that even if it did warrant one (which again, I don't agree), then the primary topic should still not be it, and it should be "Virgin Media Television (disambiguation)" - basically, anyway you slice this, there are no valid reasons for the current setup. As for your final point, I have no idea what you are referring to, so I can't comment on that. --Gonnym (talk) 17:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So what would be the best name for Virgin Media Television (2007–10)? Virgin Media Television (television programme production arm of Virgin Media)? Living TV Group had a number of wholly owned channels, available in the United Kingdom on Digital terrestrial television, Satellite television and Cable television platforms and in the Republic of Ireland... so were Virgin Media Television (2007–10) programmes offered in Ireland? In which case we need disambiguation to distinguish "Virgin Media Television (Irish TV network)" from "Virgin Media Television (producer of television programmes seen in Ireland)". wbm1058 (talk) 22:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the name is, as WP:NCCORP doesn't give information on what to do. Current practice on most articles is just to add the country name so "Virgin Media Television (UK)", however again, why would you need to? It's a redirect, just live it be. Living TV Group's article name is not being debated here so again, there is no issue. And for your secondary question, we don't need to, as we don't go by the country in which that company might work, but where the company is located. Disney is not an Irish company because it might work in Ireland, however, if Disney has a local channel somewhere, that's a different thing, see Disney XD (Dutch TV channel). So if this discussion was about a channel or network operating in Ireland that would be one thing, but this is about a company operating in the UK and has a totally different name. --Gonnym (talk) 23:50, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a valid dab page with four good entries, with two obvious entries and two that can reasonably be inferred to pass MOS:DABNOENTRY. The question of if there is a primary topic is properly discussed via a WP:RM, not here.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 09:09, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is a redirect/merge at worst and should be discussed on the talk page not here. Szzuk (talk) 21:27, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


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