Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Visa requirements for Northern Cypriot citizens


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. The article is not ideal, but it does not clearly violate a content policy such that deletion would be required automatically, and there is no consensus for deletion in this discussion. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  16:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Visa requirements for Northern Cypriot citizens

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I removed already much factually incorrect info (see arguments in the comment-line of the removals). The data that remains is only sourced by the (for the rest incorrect) source and it therefore not reliable. In fact that source tells something on acceptance of the passport which is not the subject of this wiki and available at Northern Cypriot passport; visa free entry seems not to be covered. What would remain is such a short article (visa free entraynce to 1 country: Turkey) that the article can be best removed. Visa free entrance to Turkey can be a single-line statement in the corresponding passport article L.tak (talk) 15:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC) Oppose. I have given this proposal some thought and agree that this article as is leaves a lot to be desired, but it appears that the intention is to re-incorporate content into Northern Cypriot passport. There was a long (and sometimes heated) centralised debate on removing all visa-related material from passport articles generally. The compromise arrived at was that visa-related information should be maintained at separate articles (with cross-links) rather than retained on passport articles, or removed entirely. This has been the stable situation for some time now, and deleting this article would in my opinion go against the spirit, if not the letter, of that broad-based community consensus. RashersTierney (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Rashers, thanks for detailing your rationale here. I realize it is important not to set a precedent here for the carefully crafted "visa policy"/passport split. However, I think this is a case where there are good (and more or less unique) arguments not fitting with normal passport articles: 1) already acceptance of the document (rather than the visa free travel) needed to be introduced. 2) the list of visa free countries is small (and is likely to remain small; if not, then it can be created again). 3. in principle I would advocate the usability of a passport (=one of which is visa free travel, although it is one out of control of the issuing authority) can have a place in a passport article, as long as it is not (per wp:undue weight) taking a very large part. Without re-doing the passport discussion, I think in this case removal of the article and adding a sentence to the passport article is warranted without setting a precedent for other articles. L.tak (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm still not entirely clear why this article is nominated for deletion rather than improving it. It is a quite interesting area that goes to the heart of the sovereignty, or otherwise, of Northern Cyprus.(For the record, I have no strongly held opinion either way) RashersTierney (talk) 01:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed none of those categories seem to apply here. My main concern is/was that an improved version of this article would contain a single sentence: "With a xx passport visa-free travel is possible to Turkey" (possibly with addnl sentence on the government-list where the passport is accepted). it would be therefore be destined to a non-expandable 1(2) line article for which I have sought an alternative solution here. (But then again, wikipedia doesn't break down from 1-line articles indeed) 08:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * An alternative location (as I agree about the relevance of this to sovereignty): International recognition of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) redirects to Foreign relations of Northern Cyprus. There a passport+visa free section would be suitable. What would you think about that? L.tak (talk) 08:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Merge with Northern Cypriot passport into the Foreign relations of Northern Cyprus article. 76.66.194.212 (talk) 05:04, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose This material should remain. Unfortunately, my English is not good enough to explain:) Thank you.--Reality006 (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.