Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vision Christian Radio


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, default to keep. Steve Smith (talk) 21:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Vision Christian Radio

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Article lacks notability. Currently reads like an advert. I tried looking for sources, but couldn't find any. Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notable according to WP:NRADIO. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 *  Weak keep - agree that the article needs more independent sources (note it is also referred to as "Vision Christian Media") as well). However, subject appears to be a notable broadcaster to at least 6 cities in Australia that would meet notability standards in WP:NRADIO, and is part of United Christian Broadcasters (which doesn't link to this page and has different content). If decision is made to delete this article, it should be redirected merged into to the United Christian Broadcasters page. Bookscale (talk) 02:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Changed my position after finding other sources below. Bookscale (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep--passes NRADIO due to its large coverage area.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to United Christian Broadcasters where it is mentioned - WP:NRADIO states "Notability may be presumed for a radio and television broadcast station if it verifiably meets through reliable sources, one or more of a variety of factors ...". No reliable sources have been found that supports any of the key criteria and, further, the article fails WP:V which is policy and, separately, does not meet WP:GNG. Unless the key claims can be stood up with independent reliable sources I don't see how this article can survive as a separate page. Just Chilling (talk) 12:32, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There are sources around that discuss the network's operations other than in the radio station's site itself, particularly when you search under some of its old names (Vision FM and UCB Australia). E.g. in a 2 minute Google search I found this, this, this, this,and this. Bookscale (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've made an attempt in cleaning up and putting some sources (a mix of primary and secondary) in the article. Some of the unreferenced history and all but the relevant links at the bottom have been removed. Bookscale (talk) 02:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, redirect or merge. Any one of those options is fine with me. Merge is perhaps the best outcome given the work that has gone into improving the article. So why not keep? Well, if and  are considered to be among the reliable sources covering this radio station in detail, well that is flat out wrong. Both are clearly regurtitated press releases. And the Maryborough Advertiser is hardly a newspaper of record. The problem with having articles about these minor radio stations is that they are over-reliant on primary sources, as Just Chilling correctly points out above. And that in turn makes them susceptible to promotional tone, language and content. --Mkativerata (talk) 08:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - If you're calling it a "minor radio station" you've obviously not understood what the subject is really about - it's not a single radio station, it's a network that broadcasts across Australia, including to 6 major cities. radioinfo is a website that publishes news on happenings in the radio industry in Australia (which is difficult to otherwise find given that media organisations don't usually report on each other!) - there's really no evidence that they are press releases at all. The local articles are reports on the establishment of individual channels run by Vision in the local areas - so they are relevant. To make this even clearer, I've now added references to 3 separate chapters in "A Companion to the Australian Media" volume published in 2014, where Vision is mentioned in each. It is the only current national network mentioned in the "religious broadcasting" chapter in the work, and it also makes it into chapters published on radio in Queensland and the Northern Territory. Bookscale (talk) 13:33, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete. It lacks notability for a standalone article. The audience is very narrow. The refs are routine. Szzuk (talk) 20:32, 7 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.