Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vissarion Jughashvili

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 07:19, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

Vissarion Jughashvili
Whatever is useful in this article should be put in Joseph Stalin. This character has no merit in his own right. Same for Ekaterina Geladze his mother. Plus very little is known about either of them, in the words of the articles. --SqueakBox 01:09, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Stalin's family life (or lack thereof) is interesting in that it may help to shed some light on his actions later in lfe. The article as it stands seems a fairly thorough account of what little is known about him and deserves to be kept. Lisiate 01:16, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to Joseph Stalin. As said in the article, "There is very little information on Vissarion Jugashvili." Zzyzx11 01:42, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It's well written, and interesting. Oz Dante
 * Merge anything useable to Joseph Stalin, and add redirect. Megan1967 06:33, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Stong Keep. I disagree utterly.  There is much known and written about both Vissarion Jughashvili and Ekaterina Geladze.  There is fact, rumour, and the Communist Paty's propoganda, but several Stalin biographers have tried to sort out the real from the imagined.  While both articles may not yet be written very well, the parents of one of the most influential people of the twentieth century both clearly warrant a Wikipedia entry.  HowardB 07:05, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned up/added to the Vissarion Jughashvili piece, and completely rewritten Ekaterina Geladze. Perhaps more can still be written, but I strongly feel both are legitimate entries.  HowardB 09:26, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Stalin entry will be better organized if this is outside it. Failing that, merge. Kappa 08:57, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well done, HowardB. Capitalistroadster 10:35, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Trilobite (Talk) 10:41, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Ekaterina Geladze and then merge into Stalin or create a new article Stalin's family background. While his mother was at least famous in her own lifetime he was not, and has nothing to make him stand out in his own right. I note his son Yakov Dzhugashvili has nothing, whereas I would argue he has a more rightful place as a separate article because of the huge effect Stalin's rise to power had on his life, and because he was well known during his own lifetime. --SqueakBox 17:08, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep both, but check that there's no relevant content in either that isn't also in Stalin. -Sean Curtin 01:38, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both. Politic cruft. JamesBurns 10:01, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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