Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vitali Klitschko vs. Tomasz Adamek


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The result was   keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Vitali Klitschko vs. Tomasz Adamek

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This boxing match fails the WP:EVENT with no "enduring historical significance" or any "significant lasting effect" demonstrated. The coverage that exists is purely of the routine nature any sports match gets. Mt king  (edits)  04:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:06, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Dont delte it. It was a big fight. and much bigger than all the fight articles that Saul Alvarez have had. See also Lucian Bute vs. Glen Johnson. Also see Devon Alexanders fight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David-golota (talk • contribs) 21:29, 21 December 2011
 * That does not address the inclusion criteria issue and is just a mix of WP:ITSUSEFULL and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Mt  king  (edits)  22:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep looks significant enough to me.LuciferWildCat (talk) 00:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That does not address the nom, the article does not show how this event is of "enduring historical significance" or any "significant lasting effect", none of the refs are from after the fight, there was no change in the Championship. So how significant is then ? Mt  king  (edits)  02:23, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep I disagree with the notion that this was just a routine sports match akin to a baseball or soccer game. A championship boxing match of this stature is quite different than a routine sports match and the article can be expanded upon in future to include specific aspects of the fight. Also, this was the biggest fight in Polish history with an attendance of around 45,000 people. (MaxPayne888 (talk) 21:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC))
 * It was for only one of about 12 or so such boxing "World championships" it resulted in no change in the holder and the claim of being "biggest fight in Polish history" is neither in the article or sourced. What is "enduring historical significance" here ? Mt king  (edits)  22:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The WBC belt is not just one of "12 or so". I would advise the nominator to learn a bit more about the various sanctioning organisations before nominating any more articles about boxing matches for deletion. I know that the following statement is original research, but I know people who travelled from England to see this fight, which you wouldn't get for a routine sports event in Poland with no English competitors. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I would agree with Phil Bridger, you should take time to do some research boxing. There are not 12 recognized sanctioning organizations, but only four (plus the Ring Magazine title).  Its like saying in college football, each of the human polls and computer polls crown a national champion (which they do) and therefore college football has 12 or so champions crowned. However, most fans agree that by seasons end at worst only two or three teams can claim titles (with the BCS title usually being considered the true champ despite no playoff). RonSigPi (talk) 15:10, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:RECENTISM, WP:ROUTINE, WP:NOTNEWSPAPER and WP:EVENT . Not all sporting events are notable, even most of those those meeting GNG. I see no citation which puts this event past any of the event criteria. Fails WP:EFFECT, WP:GEOSCOPE, WP:INDEPTH, WP:PERSISTENCE, and WP:DIVERSE. None of the sources are dated since the event. I would respectfully suggest that what an editor knows or believes is irrelevant in this process. What an editor can successfully assert with policy or reliable sources is what matters. If additional sources are added which help the page meet WP:EVENT, I may reassess. BusterD (talk) 02:43, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * User:GregorB has made a compelling case below that this World Championship competition rises to the level of notability required for inclusion. Because of inadequate sourcing, I still feel unable to support a keep outcome, but I'll not assert a delete outcome either. BusterD (talk) 17:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:EVENT states "[e]vents are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below)." By performing simple internet searches, a vast number of articles are found. The coverage seems to be widespread and covered in diverse boxing and sports sources.  In addition, this was a title fight for one of the four major heavyweight championships, a historical event.  Therefore keep. RonSigPi (talk) 15:06, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And the post match source to support that is ? Mt  king  (edits)  02:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Totally agree with nom and BusterD. Just indiscriminate info, so also fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 18:38, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This nomination is based on a selective reading of WP:EVENT. "Enduring historical significance" or "significant lasting effect" are sufficient - not required - for an event to be notable. There are articles such as e.g. Synchronized swimming at the 1996 Summer Olympics. Mentioning this is definitely not WP:OTHERSTUFF, as I hope you'll agree this particular example would have zero chance of being deleted using the pro-deletion arguments applied in this discussion. Rather, it's a case in point: both the Olympics and the boxing WC are globally covered major sports events, and may be considered notable as a matter of convention. GregorB (talk) 23:10, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You can't compare a sporting event that happens once every four years to a boxing match, knowone has shown, with sources why this boxing match is any more significant than any one of last weekends NFL matches. Mt  king  (edits)  02:33, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Unlike some NFL game: global coverage (virtually all media that otherwise cover sport), global exposure (live TV), media commentary and analysis after the event (an NFL game would probably not receive more than a cursory description). Also, boxing WC title fight is the very top level of competition in this sport, same as the Olympics. GregorB (talk) 10:35, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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