Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vivaldo Martini


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The result was delete. slakr \ talk / 18:27, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Vivaldo Martini

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Apparently non-notable painter of pseudo-classical portraits. There's no indication of notability in the article, nor does a search (Oxford Reference, Grove, Benezit, JSTOR etc) turn up anything at all. He had a retrospective at the Galerie Selano in Geneva in 1993; the catalogue is listed by several book sites. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * keep Vivaldo Martini is famous in Swiss and one of his picture is in a French museum. And many other wiki (french, portuguese, russian) have accepted an article of Vivaldo Martini. Friendly Glavior (talk) 19:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


 * keep I'm not agree about deletion of this article, because Vivaldo Martini had many expositions through the world. And this article is in work in progress. So let the wiki's community develop this page. Homeristan (talk) 08:35, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Struck duplicate !vote above (only one is allowed). The user has provided another keep !vote below that also provides sources for consideration. North America1000 10:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * keep for a lot reasons : picture in a museum, expositions, books. So notable for me. Soniqueboum (talk) 06:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment:, , , please understand that this is not a vote. If you believe that the article should be kept, please show that Martini is notable by citing a good number of reliable sources with in-depth coverage of him and his achievements. I have already searched in vain for such sources; perhaps you will have more luck. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello Justlettersandnumbers, Vivaldo Martini is famous for his woman portraits and post cubist compositions. Vivaldo Martini is not a great famous painter but in Swiss is also famous as Augusto Giacometti, Albert Schmidt or Richard Pirl. He was a paint teacher too. He formed a lot of artist like Vanya Ferrara Jean-Pierre Colinge or Genevieve Paris. There's one book named ''Vivaldo Martini 1908-1990. Peintures‎'' printed in 1993 with 158 pages. One paint of Vivaldo Martini is exposed in a French museum and one other is in the Javier Mendez's collection in Spain. And one picture is in the Centre d'iconographie genevoise at Geneva. Soniqueboum (talk) 14:42, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I found this about the picture named Phaedra and Ariadne griffin at Knossos palace. It's in a book about Ariadne Soniqueboum (talk) 07:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


 * , that "book" is a copy of our article on Ariadne (click at lower right where it says "Source"), and that rather famous painting is by Titian. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * , on this article, there's a line about Vivaldo Martini (at the bottom). And gere a pic of this paint : http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/000/173/884/640_001.jpg?v=4
 * And I found on Department of State news letter, number 93 at 104 on page 37, Vivaldo Martini was members of the Geneva artist mission at 1968 with Henry Meylan to promove Geneva Arts . At this occasion, Vivaldo Martini gave a portrait of Robert Kennedy to Ambassador Roger Tubby Soniqueboum (talk) 05:26, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep it thanks for the informations! Griolin (talk) 08:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC) — Griolin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

The source between Vanya Ferrara and Vivaldo Martini exists. It's in French, sorry for english speaking only. Soniqueboum (talk) 12:44, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

About serial portraits, the source is reliable. It's in French... Soniqueboum (talk) 12:46, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. For Swiss visual artists, the extent of their coverage in the selective biographical database SIKART is a very good indicator of notability. SIKART covers artists with a "documentation level" of 1 to 5 depending on their importance. In this case, Martini is not even indexed in SIKART, which indicates that he has had about zero impact on the Swiss art scene. Lacking other sources that would make him pass WP:GNG, it's a relatively clear-cut matter.  Sandstein   09:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep because a monthly swiss art magazine (Tribune des arts) had written an long article on Vivaldo Martini and his works in 1993. The title is L'oeuvre secrète de Martini : un grand portraitiste retrouvé à Genève (Vivaldo Martini's secret work : a great portraitist found in Geneva) And more, in Benezit Dictionary of Artists edited by Oxford Oxford University Press there's an article about Vivaldo Martini . So Vivaldo Martini is a notable artist. Homeristan (talk) 18:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Justlettersandnumbers apparently Vivaldo Martini is notable painter of portraits. Now there's one important indication of notability (an article on Benezit). Soniqueboum (talk) 15:58, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The one verifiable painting in a museum is not in a art museum, but is in a museum of musical instruments as a portrait of an instrument maker.  DGG ( talk ) 04:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see the problem about that, Musée de la lutherie et de l'archèterie française is a French official museum and music is a form of art. And Vivaldo Martini's works were in a lot of catalogs, Homeristan (talk) 08:56, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

This painter respect General notability guideline with verifiable evidence, multiple secondary source (one important is benezit). Soniqueboum (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * == Notability ==

Keep with all elements given. This painter seems to be notable. Kourosse (talk) 08:29, 8 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Nom has probably noticed this, but some keep votes are coming from newly minted accounts. Probably a good idea to check for sock puppets. LaMona (talk) 01:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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