Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vivian van Huiden


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The result was Keep. The editors' consensus was unanimous to keep the article, with no one joining the nominator to call for deletion. This is a non-admin closure. Capt. Milokan (talk) 19:29, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Vivian van Huiden

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This article lacks anything anywhere close to a 3rd party secondary reliable source. IMDb is not reliable, and it is meant to be complete of everyone with no sense of notability. The other sources are the subjects own websites. Beyond that we have the subjects own websites. She has dubbing roles in the Dutch versions of foriegn animation. Dubbing rarely adds up to notability, so I see nothing that would indicate that she passes notability for actresses. John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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I have looked into a web archive of her CV and Angelo Rules is not mentioned there (this is from 2017) https://web.archive.org/web/20170321085514/http://www.vivianvanhuiden.com/cv/ but I found the mentions of Lilo and Stitch: The Series and Strawberry Shortcake series, but unclear which one. By the year date, I would assume Strawberry Shortcake's Berry Bitty Adventures which is a prominent role there, but if it was Strawberry Shortcake (2003 TV series) then it does not seem to be a prominent role. There is also a prominent dub role of Rosalina in The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) and the dub lead role in Life with Boys. Pinging to see this. So, basically what you would have to do here is to systematically show that these shows I mentioned are non notable first (which are Lilo and Stitch: The Series, The Naked Brothers Band and Life with Boys even if I discount Strawberry Shortcake for being a 2003 TV show and Angelo Rules for not being verifiable). Lilo and Stitch movie is obviously very notable so that is already one prominent role of hers. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:32, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:NACTOR applies to voice actors as well as actors, and voice acting covers voicing characters in animated films in the original and subsequent languages, and recording translated versions of live actors' voices. So, WP:NACTOR says "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." The subject of this article has played significant roles in the film Lilo and Stitch and the TV series Angelo Rules and Snuf de hond. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:51, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Analyzing each role (she passes WP:NACTOR)
 * 1. Phineas and Ferb- Isabella is only a side character per List of Phineas and Ferb characters
 * 2. The Powerpuff Girls- Tough to say here. Considering the show revolves around The Powerpuff Girls, I consider them main and the rest of them as side characters (especially villains who do not appear that often). Since there is no episode count of how much this character appeared at all, I am going to say not not significant
 * 3. Angelo Rules and *4 Lilo and Stitch they are significant roles and count for WP:NACTOR.
 * 5., 6. and 7. Non notable in Wikipedia standards (I fail to see how Rebecca came to conclusion otherwise for Snuf de Hond)
 * Comment There is still a HUGE issue of WP:V here though. There are NO secondary sources that she voiced these roles at all. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:32, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply re Snuf de hond - it was a successful Dutch children's book series from the 1950s-1985, made into two films and a TV series, in all of which Vivian van Huiden appeared (see eg about the first film). The author of the books, Piet Prins, has an article in Dutch Wikipedia. Here, for example, is a review of the first film  (which I will add to the article; I have just found it), and here  is some info about its sales in the first five months. Searching online from another country for reviews in a language I don't know is a slow business, but it looks to me that the films and TV series are notable. I will look more for secondary sources on her as a voice actress, and also look at the other roles Jovanmilic97 found. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:20, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep She meets the notability requirements for WP:ENTERTAINER as others have mentioned. Voice acting is different than dubbing.  They don't just have some random person read a translation anymore, they hire people who can do the job properly, they as notable as regular actors.   D r e a m Focus  12:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


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