Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vlad Holiday


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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure)  CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   00:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Vlad Holiday

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There really doesn't appear to be any independent notability outside the subject's band. At best, this warrants a redirect to Born Cages. - Biruitorul Talk 13:48, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep Meets WP:NMUSIC via the criteria of being "a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles". Jet Lag Gemini and Born Cages both have articles, and he's been a main member of both. I actually don't think he's especially notable but by the letter of the guidelines this should remain. KaisaL (talk) 21:13, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to KaisaL (talk): Although Jet Lag Gemini has a wikipage it’s a good candidate for deletion itself. See my comments in my Delete ivote below. So if your vote is to “follow the letter” of WP guidelines because this individual—who you admit does not strike you as independently notable—is in two independently notable ensembles, then you might consider changing your keep to delete if you agree with me on the shortcomings of one of those bands. ShelbyMarion (talk) 23:32, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If you nominate Jet Lag Gemini for AFD and it is deleted then I'd reconsider. For now, the guidelines say this is a notable subject, guidelines that are there I'd add to prevent knee jerk deletions by people not applying the policy correctly. If one of Vlad's bands is not notable then it becomes likely he wouldn't be in his own right, but I'd need to look into it further to give a properly considered opinion. Jet Lag Gemini have an EP and an album with articles too, I'd nominate those simultaneously. KaisaL (talk) 03:56, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. ShelbyMarion (talk) 12:49, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * KeepI'd say the other band, Jet Lag Gemini is notable enough as well to warrant this page existing. Also as a producer, worked on Now 45 (released on Capitol Records and certified gold), Donald Cumming's Out Calls Only (Razor & Tie / Sony), Public Access TV's Never Enough (Cinematic Music Group / Sony) as well as Kidz Bop 25.
 * Notability can not be conferred. If there are non-promotional, independent third party references ABOUT Vlad Holiday’s role as a producer (rather than tangential mentions) on these projects, then those things listed as sources would add credibility to keeping this page. His involvement on Now 45, it should be noted, was within context of his role in Born Cages (which has its own wikipage,) . The success of that particular project has nothing to do with his contribution and everything to do with the other artists on the compilation. ShelbyMarion (talk) 13:10, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Redirect to Born Cages article. Not enough evidence of independently notability. Of the 28 references provided here, only two are outside of his role in that band, and they are credits lists. Same thing goes with his role as an independent producer. Also, there’s a bit of sleight of hand with the Gold Record award. Are we really expected to believe it’s because of the subject’s contribution to Born Cages’ presence on a NOW MUSIC compilation album? I suspect it’s because the other tracks are by Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, Kesha, Josh Groban, etc. Notability is not conferred by association. As for the other band, Jet Lag Gemini is of dubious notability and that article is probably worthy of an AFD nomination owing to it’s lack of good sources and a sole EP and album output, neither of which show evidence of chart placement or review coverage from significant third party sources (the references provided are the usual fluff.) Finally, it should be noted that the unsigned “Keep” argument above is from an SPA editor with a special interest in this article and the one for Born Cages. ShelbyMarion (talk) 23:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --  Dane talk  19:48, 31 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 02:24, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:19, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep or redirect Plenty of mentions in press which go towards GNG. L3X1 (distant write)  22:09, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


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