Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vladimír Kinier

Vladimír Kinier

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Redirect to 1990 FIFA World Cup squads because I could not find any in-depth coverage of this former men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. I've checked Wikipedia articles in other languages, but most of them only provide database sources. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia, which may help copy over English article, is slightly longer and listed the clubs he has/had played for... but SKwiki likewise does not provide any decent coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ  Clara A. Djalim   ໒꒱˚｡⋆  09:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football,  and Slovakia.  ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ   Clara A. Djalim   ໒꒱˚｡⋆  09:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. The WP:BEFORE on this AFD looks quite pitiful. The top Google hit is one example of the FIFA World Cup player meeting WP:GNG and WP:SUSTAINED. Geschichte (talk) 10:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Redirect as above. I've only found one secondary source that talks directly about him . I think this is not enough to confirm the significance. The source Geschichte cites is an interview, that is, a primary source. Tau Corvi (talk) 19:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep, per Geschichte. The source contains enough independent commentary on the subject to qualify as significant coverage. The source found by Tau Corvi is significant as well. A FIFA World Cup player is virtually certain to pass GNG, and its worth noting that we do not have access to 1990s Czechslovak newspapers. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Additionally, per Slovak Wikipedia Kinier totaled 260 top-tier appearances. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Geschichte's source is an interview with Kinier where the only independent info is clubs/countries he played for and not playing in the 1984 Olympics. Tau Corvi's source is better but they aren't enough for a GNG pass. https://kramerius5.nkp.cz/ has Czech newspapers and https://dikda.snk.sk/ Slovak newspapers. His 260 top flight appearances are irrelevant. Dougal18 (talk) 09:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * His 260 top flight appearances are irrelevant. – Common. sense. For modern European players (I'm talking internet era), where we have full-access to sources, can you find anyone with 260 top-flight appearances who is non-notable? Can you find a single modern European FIFA World Cup player for which there is no sigcov? Why would the 1980s be any different? Tau Corvi's source satisfies WP:SPORTCRIT, which should be all that is needed to allow this to be kept given the subject. (As for the links you provide, I've never seen those websites before. How in-depth are their 1980s newspaper collections? ) BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 11:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * To be fair, Dougal18 and Tau Corvi are correct. WP:SPORTSBASIC #5 states: Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. The source given by Tau Corvi looks like SIGCOV thing, but GNG requires multiple in-depth coverage as possible overall instead of just one. Even if the paywalled Sme newspaper contains SIGCOV, that is still not equivalent to GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ   Clara A. Djalim   ໒꒱˚｡⋆  14:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)