Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vladimir Gendelman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. you may request to restore this to the draft space at WP:REFUND. Mkdw talk 05:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Vladimir Gendelman

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Appears to be autobiography oradvertisement, low notability. JamesG5 (talk) 07:52, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Not an autobiography, as I'm not him, nor is it an advertisement. A little WP:AGF couldn't hurt though. As for notability the only folks I've worked on in the BLP space have been actors so I'm not going to pretend I'm 100% sure what the threshold for business people are. But he's an active guy in the area, and he writes / gets asked his opinion on business matters a lot, most specifically on the subject of Ukraine. PeRshGo (talk) 08:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As several of the sources were his own articles it looked like a self promotion piece, my apologies on that point.JamesG5 (talk) 08:05, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I just threw those two in on the end as writing examples, if you think it's better with out them they can go. PeRshGo (talk) 08:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That goes back to notability, then, as it leaves a single credible source (NBC) and a PR site. A google search shows very little about him that's not tied to his company.  I note also that you created a page for the company Company_Folders as your first action on Wikipedia.  I hate to strain WP:AGF but this does seem like promotion.JamesG5 (talk) 08:18, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've been editing Wikipedia for nearly a decade. That was not my first action on Wikipedia. In addition that would leave two credible sources, NBC, and DBusiness, in addition to the marketing company site which while questionable by merit of being a marketing company, really isn't writing him a promo article at all. But that being said if you think it isn't worthwhile it can be pulled and replaced with another article. That one just seemed to be a more interesting one. PeRshGo (talk) 08:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Apologies again, for some reason your contribs list is showing your first as being making a page for that company. The DBusiness link wasn't there when I made that comment, just the Promodo link which is what I was referring to.  Just still not sure why the owner of a local small business that makes office supplies is notable.JamesG5 (talk) 08:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * To me I figured that as a writer alone or as a business owner alone he probably wouldn't meet the notability threshold but together he might. Truth is, this was a first shot to see if I could get some of the more active business guys around the Detroit area Wikipedia pages. Seems like this region is woefully under represented, and I thought, wow this guy writes a lot and his company has a distinction within that specific market (they make a lot of the print collateral for the big 3 and some other major companies) maybe he'd make the cut. Probably if I wouldn't have included those articles written by him at the end he would have. But AfDs tend to favor the deletionists and the BLP realm is a pain to start with. PeRshGo (talk) 08:53, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess if I want to see this thing through to the end, and given I spent the better part of the evening working on this I might as well, my argument has to be that if a bunch of publications see him as notable enough to interview, does that not make him notable enough for our purposes? PeRshGo (talk) 08:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, last thought I'll add in that regard is that on WP:Notability it talks about standalone pages. Assuming this guy and his company are notable enough to be on Wikipedia I can't imagine why they would have separate pages.  At the very least I'd argue they should be merged with either a bio on him as part of the company page or a blurb on the company as part of his page.  My opinion, let's see what others think.JamesG5 (talk) 09:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll also throw out there that clicking the links above it seems he's cited in a few books as well. Not a ton but for his field it's pretty good PeRshGo (talk) 09:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 08:28, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete for now as he's simply not independently notable. Notifying who may have some Ukrainian insight.  SwisterTwister   talk  07:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. classic promotionalism. Beyond the bio background, it's a story of how he came to found the company. Unfortunately, nothing about the company is notable, and neither is he. I've nominated the company page for deletion as well at Articles for deletion/Company Folders. WP is not the place for press ampaigns. DGG - 18:26, 16 September 2015
 * Comment It seems the deletes are having this one, even if some of them are erroneously assuming bad faith. That being said I'd still like to work on covering some of the Metro Detroit business guys on Wikipedia, so before this gets closed out, if someone could direct me to any good information on what the notability threshold is on business people, either here or on my talk page I'd appreciate it. Cheers. PeRshGo (talk) 19:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If needed, this can be drafted and userfied to your userspace until it is better and as for the notability, see biographies notability. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  20:29, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 21:55, 22 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  20:24, 29 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Jkudlick t c s 05:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. — Jkudlick t c s 05:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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