Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vladimir Pavlov (mountaineer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 16:32, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Vladimir Pavlov (mountaineer)

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First, a confession - it was me as a novice AfC reviewer that accepted this from a draft. I am now revisiting that review after another editor tagged the article for notability. My reassessment is that the sources are all either interviews or articles that Pavlov has written about his adventures. There is a lack of WP:SECONDARY coverage. The author is a single-purpose account that has not edited again since, and their name implies an auto-biography. This appears to be self-promotion - explorers need publicity to fund their lifestyle. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Bulgaria. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I lean towards delete, but it would be good to have someone who can effectively search in Bulgarian check it. His assent of Manlasu is at least verifiable (to the extent high altitude mountaineering feats are verifiable at all.) Jahaza (talk) 18:10, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I was the editor who first raised the notability and UPE concerns. I have been going through the WikiProject Climbing BLPs.  30 years ago, climbing an eight-thousander made you notable with coverage in the main climbing media (Climbing, Rock & Ice, Alpinist, AAJ etc.).  Now, you need to climb all 14 to get enough GNG for notability (and it is still not guaranteed).  Tourist-climbers can ascent Everest, Cho Oyu and Manaslu for circa $20,000 with minimal mountaineering experience.  This BLP appears in none of the main climbing media; being in the climbing media does not guarantee notability, but not being in any of it, and trying to have a platform for notability on WP based on climbing is a problem. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 13:52, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Marianne Schwankhart is another classic example of a SA Times journalist/photographer (her name appears as a credit in Times articles), with a WP BLP for climbing notability, and yet she has never appeared in any of the climbing media (because, from a climbing perspective, she is not notable); but references to low-grade climbing/outdoor blogs have been used to try a "sustain" a notability on WP. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 13:57, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Now summarised at WikiProject Climbing/Article recommendations. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: Per Nom. There is just not enough sourcing to pass any notability criteria --  Otr500 (talk) 05:49, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:39, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.