Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vladimir Vasiliev (martial arts)


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The result was   no consensus. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Vladimir Vasiliev (martial arts)

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 * Delete: Article does not come close to notability per WP:NOTE. All of the sources are to his own school, violating both WP:RS and possibly WP:ADVERT. Djma12 (talk) 19:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * keep - One of the most important figures in RMA; other sources can be found and replaced. --Mista-X (talk) 20:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - Can you please mention what sources these are? I've tried doing simple google reviews and can't find any reference do this guy per WP:NOTE, other than his own books. Djma12 (talk) 01:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Weak keep Seems somewhat notable, but there may be some COI issues--Wadeperson (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
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Delete with my mind open to change if any independent sources that discuss the subject in a meaningful way are added. (I couldn't find any!) --Stormbay (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Delete - questionable notability, and looks too like an advert to be a good starting point, e.g. it uses an online shop as a source... edit: looked back in the history & there was some good material on the fence though may need stubbing to be kept.--Nate1481 10:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.   -- Nate1481 09:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See also the Martial arts project essay on notability

Keep This article needs work, not deletion. The 'Aikido Journal' article, the 'Black Belt' article and the 'Meibukan Magazine' article are good quality references and should be enough to establish notability per WikiProject_Martial_arts/Notability. jmcw (talk) 10:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC) 
 * Strong keep widely known, essentially the system's head (at least for the West), appears in a substantial number of magazine articles and documentaries, has books and videos out. JJL (talk) 12:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —  Aitias   // discussion 00:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


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