Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voice Refugee Forum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The discussion did not establish a consensus for policy basis to keep or delete. No prejudice against speedy renomination if one can be formulated for deletion. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Voice Refugee Forum

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No significant coverage. Non-notable organization. SL93 (talk) 13:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * KEEP - Small but notable organisation which is still operating. see http://thevoiceforum.org/
 * I will add more sources and info to the article - PsychoActiveKineticInternational TransVersal (talk) 21:07, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve definitely notable.Leutha (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No reliable significant coverage has been added yet. SL93 (talk) 00:46, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * reliable and notable sources added including journal and published books PsychoActiveKineticInternational TransVersal (talk) 19:24, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you mention how indepth those sources are? The sources I can access have trivial coverage. SL93 (talk) 19:44, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I’d say limited rather than trivial. The issue is that these movements are very difficult to document and make in depth studies on since they are fugitive and transient in their make up and participation even if the groups last many decades. However I would maintain that the wide coverage, journals, news, magazines, books and blogs as well as the influence on other movements eg the refugee caravans and the Oranienplatz occupations, does show the significance and notability of the VRF without doubt. PsychoActiveKineticInternational TransVersal (talk) 09:56, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak delete The article for the majority of its existence had no references. I'm a bit conflicted with the edits by providing no edit summaries and commenting above with no explanation on the keep. It's a bit odd to at least not state your own worth of what you researched.  the source does not provide much detail and  provides some insight but looks like a WP:SPS (looks like  provides more context). The ResearchGate source in  is questionable and I do not see mention of the refugee movement. It's actually used twice right now in the article. I can at least verify the Revisiting Gramsci’s Notebooks source through Google Books and see the group is mentioned on page 233. I think the issue here is seeing self-published sources. –  The Grid  ( talk )  03:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * u need to download the whole pdf for "this edit". on p 218 u will see: "'In the 1990s, groups of non-citizens organized themselves in shared accommodation, in particular in Eastern Germany. For example, the Voice Refugee Forum was founded in 1994 in a camp in Thuringia (Odugbesan & Schwiertz, 2018). In the 2000s, the occupation of Oranienplatz (O-platz), a square in Berlin, which non-citizens activists transformed into a protest camp, provided visibility for their struggles against border regimes (Landry, 2015; Langa, 2015; Bhimji, 2016).'" PsychoActiveKineticInternational TransVersal (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not enough SIGCOV from multiple reliable, independent sources. Multi7001 (talk) 01:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.