Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voltaire Y. Rosales


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The result was   no consensus. T. Canens (talk) 06:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Voltaire Y. Rosales

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Non-notable judge per WP:POLITICIAN. His assassination doesn't seem notable either. Moray An Par (talk) 05:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


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 * [[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] Delete — Per nom (fails WP:POLITICIAN). Baseball   Watcher  19:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The judge handled one high-profile case when one of the Gokongwei's son-in-law was kidnapped, then was killed in 2004 that led to the creation of a special task force to solve his case. If a comparison can be made, its like creating an article on the spate of killings on car dealers December 2010-January 2011. Google News turned up 19 results which can be used to rewrite the article. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 19:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Almost all, if not all, of the results in Google News only give his assassination as a trivial example, and do not dwell much into it. Moray An Par (talk) 03:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
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hello Moray, Judge Rosales' death led to the change of rules of court regarding criminal procedure in the Philippines. His death led to the abolition of the heinous crimes court which made one judge responsible for all heinous crimes (such as drugs, rape, murder) and created the raffle system which randomly distributes cases to judges to diffuse potential threat. He has been recognized by the Provincial Government where he was assigned, and the village where he lived, and various organizations, including notable organizations such as the Ateneo Law journal. His work has been recognized by notable Congressmen of the district where he was assigned as well. His death was in the front pages of newspapers and has been recognized by two of the most prestigious universities in the Philippines, Ateneo de Manila and De La Salle University. Citations can be found and recognized by googline his name in relation to local newspapers such as the Philippine Star http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=269574&publicationSubCategoryId=88. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.238.55 (talk) 07:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

In addition, he has been recognized by respected members of the Philippine legal community and the academe, such as Jacinto Jimenez (noted professor of law, bar top notcher and an examiner for the Philippine bar) and Father Joaquin Bernas, a noted Philippine Constitutionalist who has taken note of him in an old newsletter which can be googled and is found on the Ateneo website. The Ateneo Law Journal has also recognized his dedication to the rule of law in the Philippines and has dedicated a whole issue to him which is distributed to different members of the academe around the world. I believe this can be googled as well (if not researched in libraries that carry the journal.) Recognition and dedications to him are given by Undersecretary of Health and now Presidential advisor for Peace with the CPP Alex Padilla, Batangas Congressman Hermilando Mandanas, Court of Appeals Justice Amy Javier and former Philippine Senator Richard Gordon just to name a few. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.238.55 (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2011 (UTC) 
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A google of Senator Gordon with Judge Rosales will lead to a Senate Journal regarding a privileged speech given by Senator Gordon instigated by the assassination of Judge Rosales and its reflection on the acts of impunity for extra-judicial killings and in connection, how reporters covering the story have had to go into hiding due to the circumstances and the personalities involving the assassination. The book of noted author and Philippine journalist Maritess Vitug entitled "Shadow of Doubt" also mentions Judge Rosales, the drug lord connection and the eventual death threats to Supreme Court Justice Arturo Brion, which, is notable considering its reflection on the spread of narco politics in the Philippines. Judge Rosales seems to be notable enough to be mentioned by different authors. It seems the articles written by his son after his death have been published by the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the leading daily in the Philippines on two separate occasions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.11.99 (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

For those too young to remember, was not aware of Philippine events during this time or are foreign, Judge Rosales' assassination was notable enough to be topic of media coverage in the newspapers, TV and radio. Research of local newspapers during that period will reflect the impact of his death on aspects of morality in the community. It reopened debate on the arming of Philippine judges, initiated suggestions on the move to a jury system ala American system of governance and reflected the plight of honest and competent lawyers joining the judiciary. The Philippine Star, one of the more popular newspapers of national circulation in the Philippines dedicated a whole editorial with editorial cartoon depicting the tragic loss to the judiciary and judicial system of the country in the wake of his death.

It would seem what distinguishes Judge Rosales from other extra-judicial deaths (for judges and lawyers) was not how he died, but apparently, how he was perceived to have lived his life based on the numerous accounts of his integrity, honesty and courage. Considering the Philippine judiciary, and in general Philippine government is often accused of corruption, his story was relatively tragic.

Ateneo Law School recently (June 6th, 2011) celebrated it's 75th anniversary, and highlighted as part of its legacy in many parts of its program was Judge Rosales. The Philippine Star editorial and another from the integrated bar of the Philippines can be found from archives of 2004. I'll try to link to one of them. https://picasaweb.google.com/102470925390273036221/JudgeRosalesClippings#5615571627503508866

Take to note that Judge Rosales' Lux in Domino Award shares among the awardees recognized Philippine heroes including Evelio Javier, this can be googled easily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMV106 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete only two mentions in news, and otherwise no significant coverage, per WP:GNG, primarily about the subject himself. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:14, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ditch the middle initial and tell me how many results there are. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 03:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

keep. most sources mentioned by previous are only internet. Internet news can be and is archived while real news archives in the library are replete with topics regarding the subject himself. Notably the Ateneo Law Journal which shows significance and notability enough in the eyes of the Philippine legal community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viclr33 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Most of the searches above use a relatively short period, and a few years AFTER the event occured as scope of the search hence, the small number of hits. my relatively weaker google skills found this http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Judge+Voltaire+Rosales%22+source:%22-newswire%22+source:%22-wire%22+source:%22-presswire%22+source:%22-PR%22+source:%22-release%22+source:%22-wikipedia%22&scoring=a&sa=N&start=0

Considering the significance given to him by the academe and general newspapers of national circulation during that time, which I doubt can be found just by googling, but are present in libraries, I say keep.

and as found in the reference part of the article itself, the following articles http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=269574&publicationSubCategoryId=88, http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zLljAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DSgMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2907,23643164&dq=judge-voltaire-rosales&hl=en etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viclr33 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

KeepBold text Photos found in the following link shows the local version of People Magazine, with Mar Roxas in the front. It was the best selling issue for them which can be verified via google. if one looks at the photos of the front cover of the magazine, one can see that one of those featured people was Judge Voltaire Rosales. http://markorinanews.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_archive.html and http://www.google.com.ph/imgres?imgurl=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/morninggirls/July2004/CoverPeopleAsia.jpg&imgrefurl=http://markorinanews.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_archive.html&usg=__kWq57IUrJxTxfU_7T442x0aGcKM=&h=250&w=193&sz=11&hl=en&start=0&sig2=mErfU9bUPvH30jjFvkdcuA&zoom=1&tbnid=w2Wbyh9gZ9IhHM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=96&ei=EuruTdOdH4iEvAP_5r2VCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpeople%2Bmagazine%2Bmar%2Broxas%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D727%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1084&vpy=392&dur=392&hovh=135&hovw=96&tx=85&ty=61&page=1&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:22,s:0&biw=1440&bih=727 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMV106 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

KEEP. It would seem his person was notable enough to be featured not just in the news, but in magazine and academic publications as well. It seems some of his story can be found by googling him in relation to his family, the anecdotes given and republished (from the same publications earlier mentioned) can be found, albeit not from non-blog sites (they are soft copy reproductions only). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.125.103.33 (talk) 11:15, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Keep.

Based on what has been shown, albeit mere rescans but verifiable rescans of books, newspapers, magazines and academic journals "The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded."[1] Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular"—although not irrelevant—is secondary."

Judge Rosales is obviously a keeper for being notable.

Based on the WP: politician guideline which states:

"Politicians Shortcut: WP:POLITICIAN Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature.[12] This will also apply to those who have been elected but not yet sworn into such offices. Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.[7] Generally speaking, mayors of cities of at least regional importance are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city. Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article." 

Judge Rosales was an Executive Judge of a Regional Trial Court which means he falls under the statewide/province wide jurisdiction/office. Add to that the notability given by different media coverage then we can see that the article more than complies with what is necessary.

Hopefully there will be better researchers out there who trully research before deleting or trying to delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.238.55 (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Keep. It would seem aside from being publicized in the mentioned newspapers, magazines and academic journals, it is noteworthy that his life has been given recognition by two of the most prestigious schools in the country. Certainly they did their due diligence before lending their name to him. A google of the list of fellow awardees for both rewards from both schools puts him in a relatively dignified group. The provincial government as well as his village of residence and apparently his law school fraternity give him recognition. Hopefully there will be editors that can tell more of him and how and why these groups awarded/recognized him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.157.250 (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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