Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vumatel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. With no prejudice against speedy renomination. (non-admin closure) Curbon7 (talk) 05:01, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Vumatel

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WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. None of the references in the article meet the criteria. Topic fails WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 17:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  HighKing++ 17:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions.  HighKing++ 17:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. I added some references, and more can be found. The nominator should have looked for references WP:BEFORE. I suspect that all sizeable ISPs and telecommunications carriers in South Africa are notable and that references can be found for them. The fact that the existing article is weak and (until I fixed it) had the infobox in the wrong place is not a reason to delete it. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Response The nominator did look for references WP:BEFORE and found none, it is very disingenuous and presumptious of you to suggest otherwise. Also, the reasons for nomination had nothing to do with a weak article (which still isn't "fixed") and the infobox in the wrong place. The nomination is pretty clear in that it fails because there are no references that meet NCORP. You added two references to the article. This from stuff is an article on the topic company's pricing where two *anonymous* "ISP executives" provide comments and the topic company provides a statement. There is no in-depth information on the company and the article doesn't come close to meeting NCORP requirements. The second reference from stuff is even worse. It provides a statement from the topic company about an outage and that the company says the problem has been resolved. No in-depth info on the company, no "Independent Content", fails both WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. If you find any more references, can you please take a read of NCORP first to see if the meet the requirements for establishing notability and post links to the best WP:THREE below and we'll take a look.  HighKing++ 10:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Article Important to South African Telecommunications Knowledge information and structure, with Vumatel being the 2nd biggest Infrastructure provider in South Africa. TapticInfo (talk) 10:06, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 10:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: third relist in hopes of stirring up more commentary

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 22:49, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Sub-stub with no evidence of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources in either the article or this discussion. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 06:51, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Eggishorn.4meter4 (talk) 19:01, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


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