Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vvardenfell

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Vvardenfell
Not encyclopedic, and if it were, it would need to be seriously expanded. -- Chessphoon 03:56, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect. --Yath 04:30, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: How many times have I wondered what Vvardenfell was? How many times, weary with books of forgotten lore, have I sat straight up, thinking, "I simply must find out what became of lost VVardenfell?"  Right.  Merge?  Perhaps redirect to prevent recreation, but I stick with just delete. (Sorry for the sarcasm.  Just because the same thing appears here three times a day doesn't mean that each time it's not totally new to the contributor.) Geogre 04:49, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I greatly enjoyed all the games in the series, and can see having articles about the games, but this information should be kept in the main article.  An encyclopedia is not a game guide.  Besides, this could quickly look like the article for Tamriel.  All of those red links scare me.    SWAdair | Talk  06:03, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Delete if you wish, but the article will be greatly expanded in the coming weeks and months, with a section on the politics of Vvardenfell and a brief description of major towns and prominent characters (NPCs). Vvardenfell is where the game actually takes place. Nothing you can do in the game (without mods) exists outside Vvardenfell so it is pretty central to the game.
 * Having played The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind myself (poorly), I think the only reasonable conclusion is to merge this article into Morrowind and redirect to the appropriate section therein. Just because we can devote hundreds of articles to a fictional world doesn't mean we should.  Even notable fictional worlds like the Star Trek universe need to be kept in check.  This is an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough or video game manual.  --Ardonik.talk 18:48, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: fancruft. Another one for the fan sites. Wile E. Heresiarch 09:21, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Furthermore, an argument like that opens the floodgates. Tomorrow, the creator of the Pok&eacute;mon cities that begin with "G" article will argue that her article should be kept because we have an article on Vvardenfell, too, and that's much less notable than the Pok&eacute;mon franchise! Two days later, the creator of the Harry Potter's magical toothbrush article will cite both this article and hers as a justification for keeping his own. The snowflakes will become a blizzard, and the blizzard an avalanche. This is an encyclopedia. Vvardenfell, Tamriel, and Dagoth Ur are subsets of Morrowind; merging and redirecting is the appopriate action. --Ardonik.talk* 16:03, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Full details about the internal workings of a computer game are as inappropriate to Wikipedia as would be a complete and detailed commentary on every aspect of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. Amd Romeo and Juliet is far more notable than Vvardenfell. Wikipedia should not be a spoiler for games. Jallan 17:05, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. The topic is important enough in The Elder Scrolls series to warrant its own article.  And that series has a HUGE mythology and back-story to it, which is well written and coherent.  This is ONE page for an important part of that mythology.  I mean, if you want to really retch, check out List of Middle-earth rivers.  These are separate articles for RIVERS in the LoTR trilogy.  Read that again -- they are freakin' RIVERS!!! One page for an important aspect of a popular and long-lasting series of games is reasonable.  Terrapin 15:10, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Surely there must be a stronger argument for keeping this article than "THAT fictional world has fancruft, too!" Is there anything else that makes this fictional video game world notable to people besides you and I who have already played?  Given that the Wikipedia is not a game guide or walkthrough, what place does this have in an encyclopedia?  What makes Vvardenfell culturally significant?
 * Merge and redirect. Morrowind is not a notable enough game, with enough published material, to justify separate articles for everything in the game. It's not anywhere near the popularity of Tolkien or the published material of Forgotten Realms. --Lowellian 20:03, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - I played all the games in the series. Exploration of Vvanderfell is a fundamental part of the game. It shouldn't be compared to Pokemon, where the point of the game is action and strategy. Although, since there is nothing in the article, it wouldn't be a big loss if its deleted.

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