Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wüstenrot-Gruppe


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The result was no consensus. There is no agreement about whether this is a hoax or not, whether it passes WP:NCORP or not. No prejudice against renomination in few weeks or months. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Wüstenrot-Gruppe

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I added a speedy delete thing onto the page. I wrote "Still not deleted. List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia refers to a edit description rather than a proper delete." but then felt like taking it off and discussing it here for my same reason. TapLover (talk) 08:03, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think this is a hoax article (the hoax listed on that page was a bit of long lasting vandalism as far as I can tell). That said, it's not entirely clear if this company passes WP:NCORP or not, all the sources I found when doing a WP:BEFORE-style search were in German (which I don't have the time or ability to evaluate effectively). Iffy★Chat -- 10:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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 * This is just very old. A cursory search of current subsidiary website brings up https://www.wuestenrot.hr/o-nama/wuestenrot-u-europi/94 where it doesn't mention the Gruppe as such, so maybe someone should investigate why and when they got renamed. - - Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 07:01, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think they have actually been renamed, as they are referred to by this name as recently as 2017. It's probably that the formal registered name is Wüstenrot-Gruppe but that they are known as simply Wüstenrot or Wuestenrot ("ü" is rendered as "ue" in German when a keyboard doesn't have a "ü" character) as a snappier name for marketing purposes. That's pretty standard practice for companies. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Right. I think the main problem is that they're eponymous with the German company that seems to be in the same line of work. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 21:02, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't see any German company of this name when I was looking for sources. Could you say where you got that idea from? Phil Bridger (talk) 21:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The other one on Wüstenrot (disambiguation). If you examine their websites, they mostly don't operate in the same countries, but are quite similar. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 16:34, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see now. I was searching with "gruppe" or "group" included, rather than for just "Wüstenrot". We need to be careful to disentangle the two companies, but both seem notable. I know some German (I passed an A level over 40 years ago) so will see what I can do over the weekend to make sure that sources in the two articles are about the right company. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:18, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Maybe have a German speaker analyse https://www.wuestenrot.at/de/ueber-uns/konzern.html - -Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 07:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * There are four parts of the Gruppe according to https://www.wuestenrot.at/de/ueber-uns/konzern/wuestenrot-gruppe.html Xx236 (talk) 11:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Firstly there was never any suggestion that this article was a hoax - the entry at List of hoaxes on Wikipedia is about some content that was previously in the article, not the existence of this group itself, which is trivially verifiable. Many of the sources found by the Google Books search linked above have significant coverage of the group, such as the one that I have cited in the article with several pages of coverage, and, for example, this source says that it had over 6000 employees in 1983. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:14, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: does not meet WP:NCORP; significant RS coverage not found. Just a directory listing. --K.e.coffman (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


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