Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/W. Stanley Proctor


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The result was   keep. (Non-administrator closure) Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

W. Stanley Proctor

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Sculptor who is mentioned in passing as the creator of a number of e.g. college/university monuments to star athletes, but seems to have no significant coverage of himself. What appears at first to be independent writeup turns out to be blurbs from galleries selling his works, which doesn't count. I could be wrong about this, but I'm just not seeing the coverage. EEng (talk) 05:18, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I should add that I made this nomination because, as embarrassing as a notability debate can be for a subject, it's even more embarrassing for it to happen while or after a DYK main-page appearance, and it's best this get cleared up ahead of time. (See Template:Did you know nominations/W. Stanley Proctor.) No need to get angry. EEng (talk) 14:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

This nomination was reviewed and given a tick. Two weeks ago EEng asked if any other editors thought the article should be deleted. He has had no takers and was told by the reviewer User:TheQ Editor that it was notable. There are more than 30 sources in the article WP:GNG would seeem to apply. He is recognized by the Florida Arts Council and is in the Florida Hall Artists Hall of Fame. His works are in many important collections, and he is acoording to the Florida Secretary of State, perhaps the most important public artist in Florida. In 2004 he received the National Sculpture Society's American Artists Professional League Award for a traditional realistic depiction in sculpture. User: Hawkeye7 actually promoted the DYK, and then decided to kill the DYK. Now User: Hawkeye7summarily killed the DYK and closed the discussion without notice? This needs to be reopened until the belated delete matter is resolved. We need the matter reopened by an administrator. I know it can't be run until this is the deletion is resolved. But this is ridiculoous. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:24, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment — on the "where there's smoke there's fire" theory, I'm pretty sure that with a little digging, there are enough major mentions in reliable sources, albeit minor ones, to pass general notability. Here is one, from the article. Also, isn't there a standard of notability with respect to artists, writers, academics, and so on, that if their works receive enough notice and acclaim, they themselves are deemed notable? Further, he is in a state hall of fame for artists, which may be a significant award that conveys notability. - Wikidemon (talk) 08:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Easily passes WP:GNG. The Florida Artists Hall of Fame is not a blurb from a gallery. As it happens, there is a standard for artists. Per WP:ARTIST: The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. Since some of his sculptures are important monuments, and some have been featured at the Smithsonian, the British Museum of Natural History and the Cleveland Museum of Natural History, and he has "installed works in locations as diverse as the National Jewish Center Hospital in Colorado and the Polk Museum of Art in Lakeland, Florida. His sculpture has been selected for the permanent collection of the Leigh Yawkey Woodson Museum in Wisconsin and has been presented to the President of the United States by the Governor of Florida. Selected as the Featured Sculptor at Charleston's Southeastern Wildlife Exposition, he also earned that honor at the Easton Waterfowl Festival in Easton, Maryland." It seems that he qualifies in all of the categories of WP:ARTIST and not just the one of them required. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:06, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong and Speedy keep More than 30 40 sources. WP:GNG.  Easily fulfills criteria in WP:ARTIST.  Received extensive coverage.  Works in many important public collections, and noted as a creator of public art works, particularly regionally.  Recognized by his peer group and patrons as an exceptional realistic artist, and honored as such.   Works are  in the White House and all overthe country.  Nationally recognized for his work involving sports figures.
 * It hasn't been killed. It has merely been withdrawn from the prep area. It is back on the nominations page. Don't reverse my edit, because that will leave it unable to be promoted again! It will be restored to the queue once this AfD is closed, which will hopefully be soon. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:42, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - Received several newspaper clippings and reviews from Laura B., Reference Desk, State Library of Florida, A Division of the Florida Department of State. Of course in Google you can look up their address, email, and phone number (...-...-6600). I'm sure she will still have all these PDFs on file (especially, if you mention Doug Coldwell's Wikipedia research on Sandy Proctor.) These sources are in the article reference. One particular review (+ biography) of special note is Clifford, Dorothy (October 22, 2000). "Sculptor of the City". Tallahassee Democrat, Section: D; Page D1.  The many PDF files are  very large, so you will need a good internet connection to download them. The ball in now in your court, since I had to get this information in the first place from the State Library of Florida and put into the article, and apparently don't trust what I put in, THEN it is up to ya'll to go and get it directly from the horse's mouth.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong Speedy Keep for the following reasons:
 * The Tallahassee Democrat, staff writer - Hinson, Mark (Sunday March 26, 2006). Sculpturing, a place in history (2613 words) - LIFE & ARTS section (complete review on W. Stanley "Sandy" Proctor, in 3 parts).
 * The Tallahassee Democrat / October 22, 2000 Sunday PE EDITION / SCULPTOR OF THE CITY / BYLINE: Dorothy Clifford, DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER / SECTION: D; Pg. D1 / LENGTH: 1636 words
 * Admin note - Removing extensive copy+paste of above article. (not allowed per WP:COPYVIO). ---M ASEM (t) 17:41, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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 * Source - State Library of Florida --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:44, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - a recent Proctor installation with dedication = over 100 attendees. The videos give his qualifications, awards, and accolades.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:06, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Additional Comment - the picture in the article of him I took on this dedication. I asked if I could take a picture of him for the Wikipedia article I was writing up on him. He said, "Sure, let me get my wife as she is in all my pictures. Where is the sun? I'll read your article when I get back to Florida." Obviously I had his permission to take his picture for Wikipedia.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - On the Mason County Sculpture Trail of 13 sculptures from nationally known sculptors, Proctor has three "Hooked on Hamlin", "Follow the Leader", "Double the Fun". --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment We don't need walls of text -- we need just sources on point to the relevant guideline, which is WP:ARTIST:
 * The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors.
 * The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
 * The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
 * The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
 * Which of these applies, and which sources back that up? The most helpful thing would be if you could point out which of the many sources talk about him, instead of just mentioning him in passing. You could list the ref#s in this permalink (so we don't have to worry about ref#s shifting around as the article is edited). EEng (talk) 14:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * All of them apply, and the newspaper article deleted and eradicated by User:Masem showed that. Since there is an apparent refusal to WP:AGF on the citations which are not on line there was an attempt to provide it to you in easily digestible form.  In any event, you can now retrieve it from the Florida Library. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 17:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you just say which 3-5 of the zillions of sources in the article are the ones which apply to the list above? EEng (talk) 19:36, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Strong, Speedy Keep Although I deal primarily in dead sculptors, there really is no reason to insist on waiting for significant, active, well documented, but alive sculptors to die before starting an article about them. Particularly during wikipedia's Summer of Monuments. When I get around to doing my article on Charles Martin (sculptor)  there might be a serous discussion about notability (which I will win) but Proctor is a no-brainer.  Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 19:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep is in order, given the pressing issue of DYK. This appears to be adequately sourced, the subject is notable per WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST and the artist has been exhibited in a number of museums, including the Smithsonian. Easily notable. freshacconci talk to me  19:48, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:Snow? In September?  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 20:23, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep clearly notable. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:34, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong and Speedy Keep Comment - Article is well sourced beyond museum and gallery overview of works and their locations (though that is permanently documented information in the in public galleries). Induction into the Florida Artist Hall of Fame, documented by the Florida State Division of Cultural affairs at meets WP: GNG. Multiple articles about "The Guardians" - two Navy Seals from the American tragedy in Afghanistan in 2005 seals WP:Artst. This piece of artwork inspired the movie "Lone Survivor" as much as the tragedy itself did. (See  and .) For the Floridian, bronzes immortalizing regional greats also adds to WP:GNG. Strong keep! Taram (talk) 23:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment In support of Taram's notes about Florida and Lone Survivor, you might also see . I appreciated his citations, and have added them to the Wikipedia article.  Thank you. 7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 02:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Because of his scrupulous devotion to realistic depictions of humans, Proctor was the personal choice of Matthew Axelson's family for the project, and they made that recommendation to the committee.. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 12:36, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Additional Comment -- Documentation: Here are the minutes of the Florida Arts Council (from the Secretary of State's Office) in which Stanley Proctor is discussed as a nominee to the Florida Artists Hall of Fame:   They obviously saw Proctor as notable in a way that would meet WP:GNG and WP: Artist as per their comments when they put him on the short list of nominees. Taram (talk) 20:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:Snow I still haven't seen any credible argument to the contrary.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 19:31, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per sources outlined by Doug Coldwell. EricEnfermero  HOWDY! 06:04, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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