Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WERW


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, per Rtphokie's withdrawl. - NeutralHomer  •  Talk  18:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

WERW

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unlicensed college radio station., no indication of notability. I'm not finding references where this station is the subject outside of the campus newspaper. Rtphokie (talk) 17:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep: Radio Station articles, be them AM, FM, HD, Low Power, Middlewave, Shortwave, or Carrier Current are inherently (sp?) notable, hence this one is as well. - NeutralHomer  •  Talk  18:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep While most unlicensed campus AM stations of this sort are not notable, this one serves a relatively large population and the station has garnered at least some significant coverage from independent reliable sources, including the Syracuse Post-Standard as well as the campus newspaper. I've added a couple of SPS references to the article and listed a few relevant Orange articles on the station's talk page.  - Dravecky (talk) 18:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep: Rtphokie points out that the station is mentioned in the campus paper. We should consider Wikipedia's own entry about The Daily Orange, which notes that the paper is independent of Syracuse University. The newspaper has a long legacy of independent journalism (without university funding) done by students in one of the top journalism schools in the country, the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communication. Since the Daily Orange sells advertising and functions as its own entity, it doesn't seem any different than many, many sources used as "acceptable" citations on Wikipedia. Radioh (talk) 18:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment it's not unusual for media (radio, TV, newspaper, etc) serving a university to be organized behind a corporation of some sort that is seperate from the university, but that media still primarily serves the university and not much beyond. The purpose of the independence serves both the newspaper or radio station (by limiting the day to day control the university has over the campus media) as well as the university (by providing some insulation from libel suits).  Without some history of FCC license, we'll need some significant coverage that the station is notable outside of the campus.  Daverecky's find of articles in the Syracuse Post-Standard is helpful but more would help make the case for notability.--Rtphokie (talk) 03:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: It is noted in the article that WERW is heard well outside of the university grounds and throughout the City of Syracuse. How far it is heard, that is unsure...as we don't have a coverage map for WERW, but to say that is serves the "university and not much beyond" isn't a completely true statement. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  03:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment:There are approximately 20,000 people on Syracuse University's campus every day. If we're going to delete the WERW page based on the logic that the Daily Orange isn't a credible source because it doesn't provide coverage of much beyond campus, then you should delete the Daily Orange page, too. And while we're at it, let's delete every Wikipedia page about small town newspapers in communities with fewer than 20,000 people. Those papers don't cover much beyond their towns' borders, so they must not be worthy of citation. And without the citations from those papers, we'll probably have to delete some of the small towns' Wikipedia pages, too. By the way, did anyone note that there were "legal battles" involved in the Daily Orange seperating from the university? Doesn't sound like everyone involved believed seperation was going to be "serving both" to make that move.Radioh (talk) 15:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn Dravecky has updated the article (thanks!) with good references from the local newspaper (with 100k+ circulation). This coverage indicates that the station is of interest outside the campus.