Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WFHA-LP


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  Sandstein  14:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

WFHA-LP

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Fails WP:NRADIO since is meets none of these criteria: "Notability can be established by either a large audience, established broadcast history, or being the originator of some programming". Geschichte (talk) 08:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  09:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  09:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep: I am half tempted to close this myself as a Keep, but I won't. I will, however, knock these down one by one.


 * The station covers a LARGE chunk of Melbourne, Florida. Melbourne has a population of approximately 83,000.  The article on the station says they serve about 44,000 people, so that jives.  So, one down, "a large audience".


 * Per FCCData.org, which takes their information directly from the FCC themselves, WFHA is not currently silent and the station's license was renewed 2012 and 2020. So, that's two down, "established broadcast history".


 * Now on the third, it's a little tricky. Admittedly, they don't have the world's greatest web presence, but what they do have is affiliations with programs that air on their station.  What I can say is they are an affiliate of PRX or Public Radio Exchange, they carry the Mayo Clinic Radio program (it's Florida, old people like health information), The Street Corner Radio Show (oldies and doo-wop music, again, it's Florida), and Planetary Radio (because space is freakin' cool).  Now, admittedly, not great...but here's an area realtor promoting the community that owns the station (an HOA owns WFHA) and says right in the text "playing smooth jazz and oldies, local news and interviews".  So, while the station's web presence leaves something to be desired, I think this is confirmation of the third point, "being the originator of some programming".


 * So, article meets NMEDIA (or as Geschichte coded it NRADIO, same thing), meets GNG, needs a couple more sources (but what article doesn't?), but I think I've giving you all enough to work with here. This AfD should be closed immediately as a Speedy Keep and Geschichte smacked with a TROUT for wasting my time and the community's. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 10:07 on November 15, 2020 (UTC) •  #WearAMask • #BlackLivesMatter
 * 44 000 potential listeners says nothing about an actuall large audience. 16 years is not a significant history. I couldn't agree less with any of your notions. Geschichte (talk) 16:35, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment This is exactly why we, as individual editors, don't pick and choose which articles are notable, that's for the community to decide.  They decided that NMEDIA are the rules that we follow when it comes to radio station articles.  The opinion of individual editors is meaningless.  The opinion of the community is what matters.


 * That said, have you seen 44,000 people in a room? That's a "large" amount of people.  Most LPFMs don't subscribe to Nielsen or Eastlan Ratings, too expensive.  So, unfortunately, we can't find out what their actual ratings are.  But we can say with a safe bet of some certainty that they have listeners, otherwise they wouldn't still be on the air.  LPFMs are banned from airing commercials like your larger commercial stations.  So, they have to find underwriters.  If they can't, they don't have anyone to pay the bills.  So, clearly, someone is listening if, as you pointed out, after 16 years, they are still on the air.  I am glad that you brought up their 16 year history. LPFM Radio Stations were approved in 2000, with the first stations launching 2004 and 2005.  This is significant, because some of these stations are no longer on the air, due to the "Great Recession" and economic downturn in the late 2000s and 2010s and the Coronavirus Pandemic, which has done about a dozen of them in, AM stations too.  So, for a station to make it through ALL that, plus hurricanes (it is Florida), shows the have a following and an audience.


 * Finally, a "notion" is "a conception of or belief about something". That's not what anything I said was.  It was an "explanation" of facts with sources.  An "explanation" is "a statement or account that makes something clear" and sources are the backbone of everything we do here. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 23:40 on November 15, 2020 (UTC) •  #WearAMask • #BlackLivesMatter


 * Keep - while I don't agree it should be speedied, I do agree with Neutralhomer's arguments for keeping. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Neutralhomer. Meets WP:NRADIO. An examination of the station's website through the Internet Archive does verify that the station has been the originator of some programming.--Tdl1060 (talk) 01:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per Neutralhomer. Article is good enough to pass WP:BCAST. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 16:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


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