Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WTCL (TV)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 14:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

WTCL (TV)

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Speedy delete: WLFM-LD is set to become WTCL on January 1, and that station already has an article. Just change the title when the time comes. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * A10 tag applied Station cannot become a full-power station and will retain -LD suffix. So tagged.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * WTCL is currently a redirect to WJXO, which I bet got paid off to give up the WTCL call sign (the station has had some VERY hard luck of late). The FCC call sign desk indicates the request was for WTCL-LP for some reason, not WTCL-LD. The base title of WTCL should be a dabpage eventually. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 03:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The article creator, commented on their talk page and noted that the TVNewsCheck release didn't mention the WLFM-LD license at all, thus they created it thinking it was a new station/license, which I did have a feeling about why this article was created.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 20:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If I had known WLFM was to be converted into WTCL, I would have NOT created a separate article... Again, the link I provided makes NO mention of converting another station... Rather, "launch a new television station"... CPLANAS1985 (talk) 22:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Agreed, not placing any kind of blame on anyone here; it was a good-faith article created using a source that could have been much better written and made clear the station already exists (I assume Gray wanted to completely leave behind WLFM's franken-FM legacy as an analog station, and that Jewelry TV is merely keeping the transmitter warm and not a serious affiliation).  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I had NO idea analog LPTVs still existed in large markets... Why do I sense this was a "troll" move on Gray's part??? CPLANAS1985 (talk) 04:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Most of the large-market ones that existed did so on 6 for the FM audio capability (see: the conversion of a bunch of these to ATSC 3.0, which allows the television portion to be transmitted in just 5.5 MHz of the 6 MHz channel). In this case, Jewelry TV is definitely a signal-warmer (it's also used on the ATSC 3.0 stations such as the 6 in Chicago). Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 07:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * With all things considered and given the circumstances... What do I next??? Do I move one article to the other??? Do we merge the two articles??? How do we work around this knowing what we know now??? CPLANAS1985 (He/Him/His • T • C • TW • IG) 15:48, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Should we just merge the two articles into one??? What will happen to the new article for WTCL (TV)??? I need to know... Because the article was created in good-faith despite a vaguely worded release by Gray Television and TVNewsCheck... There had to be other reasons other than WLFM being a "transmitter-warmer" as one indicates... It is clear this was NOT made up... Just limited details at this time, nothing more... Only preparing for a future event, and that is NO speculation with all due respect...  CPLANAS1985 (Male • T • C • TW • IG) 18:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:21, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This page is incorrectly titled, it has no incoming article space links, and the topic is covered at the correct page, WLFM-LD. That will move to (likely) WTCL-LD when a call sign change is formalized. No need to keep. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 06:02, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Turns out that the unusual claim for WTCL-LP is correct (not LD). The article was moved today, and the station has reported to the FCC that it is back up and transmitting. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 04:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One more crack at this...

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, based on the discussion above, seems the creation of the article was unnecessary as an existing article can/will be moved into its place in the near future. Bungle (talk • contribs) 12:34, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.