Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WW1 Watches


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. MuZemike 21:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

WW1 Watches

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Non notable subject, has a reference, but no inline citations, does nothing but spur interest in the listed link to a company that sales vintage watches. Click23 (talk) 14:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a proper encyclopedia article. Seems to be an essay copied and pasted here. Wristwatch is the article which covers this notable topic. Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * My mistake. "Wristwatch" redirects to "Watch." I think it really should have its own article. Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep but needs work.  This aspect of the history of the watch can be a sufficient subject of its own. There is apparently one published article, cited there.  Perhaps the best approach might be to split out wristwatch from the article of watches.   DGG ( talk ) 14:52, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Looks like a new user who isn't familiar with Wikipedia style of writing. To that person, I can only say that (1) We can help you in making this have an encyclopedic tone and (2) The number one rule of writing is that you have to tell others where you got the information.  I'm sure that the author probably has a number of publications, whether they're catalogs, books, or magazines (TIMEpiece Magazine or whatever).  Drop an e-mail to me or to DGG.  Mandsford (talk) 15:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:UGLY. AfD is not cleanup and shouldn't be. I don't know enough about the subject to be sure, but it seems notable and the article's current state shouldn't mark it for deletion. Annalise (talk) 17:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment This would probably work better, after cleanup, as an article about the wristwatch in general.  The article is about more than wristwatches made in World War One, although (I didn't know this), the war was a key event in the trend from carrying a pocket watch to wearing a wristwatch, for reasons discussed at the close of the page.  Currently, wristwatch redirects to a section of Watch (Watch) which reads, in its entirety, "At the beginning of the century wristwatches were mostly worn by women. In 1904, Brazilian aviator Alberto Santos Dumont asked his friend Louis Cartier to come up with an alternative that would allow him to keep both hands on the controls while timing his performances during flight. Cartier and his master watchmaker, Edmond Jaeger soon came up with the first prototype for a man's wristwatch called the Santos wristwatch. The Santos first went on sale in 1911, the date of Cartier's first production of wristwatches. During the First World War soldiers needed access to their watches while their hands were full. They were given wristwatches, called 'trench watches', which were made with pocketwatch movements, so they were large and bulky and had the crown at the 12 o'clock position like pocketwatches. After the war pocketwatches went out of fashion and by 1930 the ratio of wrist- to pocketwatches was 50 to 1. The first successful self-winding system was invented by John Harwood in 1923."  This article expands upon that information.  Mandsford (talk) 13:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This article would need a total re-write to be encyclopedic and it's unclear whether the topic is notable. Nick-D (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * So, rename to "Wristwatch" and rewrite? Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.