Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWE Global Warning Tour (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete due to noted verifiability concerns. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 06:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE Global Warning Tour

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Was a non-notable wrestling event. Article creator claims it was on PPV (as did the author of the original article), but no proof has been provided. Article has been deleted twice before (once in an AFD, and then when an article it redirected too was deleted. Nothing to proove why this is any different from the many other international tours WWE does every year. TJ Spyke 21:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator, non-notable and lack of non-trivial coverage. Burntsauce 22:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How is this different from other one off PPVs such as Tuesday in Texas and WWF One Night Only? Should those be deleted too? Amazon.ca and imdb list the the DVD of this show as a PPV. Also, the last AFD was improper, having the nominator close the multiple afds after just three days, they were actually undeleted as out of process but then speedied by someone else. Halfarmed 22:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No proof has been provided that this was ever on PPV. TJ Spyke 22:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Proof is being pursued. An email has been sent to WWE asked for a history of the Fanatic Series to be put on the website. If it is, Global Warning will definitely be included - and you'll have your proof. 124.180.195.212 12:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC) — 124.180.195.212 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

*Keep If proven as an Australian PPV, Delete otherwise as a house show (albeit with extremely impressive attendance). ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 19:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep WP:EPISODE could be argued here. But I really don't see the point of this. I expect the wrestling fans to jump on this one. Whsitchy 23:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There has been no source for it being on PPV or TV. If there was proof that this was a PPV, I wouldn't have nominated it. TJ Spyke 00:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Point, why it's very weak. Whsitchy 00:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. Also, it has practically no incoming links, which further proves its non-notibility. Nikki311 02:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Screw it, it's non-notable. Whsitchy 03:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Elrith 04:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep was definitely shown on pay per view in the US in late 2002. Time needed to seek verifiable evidence of this. Was advertised during a main PPV (probably No Mercy or Survivor Series) as part of the monthly Fanatic Series. Notable for being the record holder for the venue for attendance at a sporting event. 58.171.84.247 02:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC) — 58.171.84.247 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * I don't know if it was aired on PPV in Australia, but it was never shown on PPV in the United States. TJ Spyke 03:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes it was, TJ. As part of the Fanatic Series as anon 58 said. Rick Doodle 02:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The WWE Fanatic Series airs general WWE content, including straight to DVD stuff like "Divas Do New York". It's not the same as regular PPV. They don't air normal wrestling events on it. Besides, there is no proof it was aired as part of the Fanatic Series anyways. TJ Spyke 02:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They HAVE aired normal wrestling events on it - Global Warning, Inxurrection and Rebellion (UK based PPV's) have all featured in the Fanatic Series. I hope that anon who said WWE had been emailed responds with the proof you need. Rick Doodle 10:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep'This is an Australian pay per view, therefore it should be kept. It was released on DVD & it was aired on PPV in other countries, including the United States. Zlrussell 23:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It was NOT aired on PPV in the United States, and so far there has been no proof that it aired on PPV in Australia either. TJ Spyke 00:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. If there is proof that it was shown on Australian pay-per-view (of which it'll be of same notability as WWE Rebellion and WWE Insurrextion for example), I'll change to keep. --  Oakster  Talk  17:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * EXTREMELY Strong Keep TJ, you are wrong. I shall check my DVD records of the main WWE pay per views from late 2002 (I have them) to verify when Global Warning was shown in the US as part of the Fanatic Series, but it was DEFINITELY shown. Further, the show at what was then called Colonial Stadium (now the Telstra Dome) received mainstream coverage with a two page spread in Melbourne's Herald Sun. The story - titled "We were warned" (with the W in warned replaced with the WWE logo) - quotes the show as "being taped for DVD release and pay per view presentation in the United States at a later date." It also attracted an attendance of 56,734 which stands as the attendance record for a sporting event at the venue - and at the time was the record for the venue full stop (it was beaten later by a Robbie Williams concert). When I get the month that show was shown on the Fanatic Series I'll get back to this AfD (won't be today because of One Night Stand). Curse of Fenric 22:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep per Curse of Fenric's statement Mal Case 05:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Curse has provided no proof that it was ever on PPV, or that's it's notable. How about people try citing policy and guidelines for their reason? TJ Spyke 05:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A two page spread in a major city daily newspaper doesn't make it notable???? Rick Doodle 11:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * From what i've seen in the past, even house shows sometimes get coverage in local papers. The newspaper in my city had coverage of the RAW event they had here (the one from last June when DX officially reformed) taking up most of the first page of the sports section. Also, WP requires multiple non-trivial sources. TJ Spyke 22:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Show me a house show that drew 56,000 people, TJ. And in Australia a two page spread on one event is MAJOR NEWS! I think it's about time WP:IAR was applied in this case, but I'm about to check my DVD collection to confirm when Global Warning was show in the US as a part of the Fanatic Series. Curse of Fenric 00:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK - I can now confirm that Global Warning was shown in the US on pay per view in November 2002. It was advertised during the 2002 Survivor Series with a cute add that provided a typical Australian "Steve Irwin" style promo, followed by an American "translation". It was part of the Fanatic Series as stated. Sorry, TJ - you are wrong. It WAS show in the US on pay per view. Curse of Fenric 00:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You cannot use yourself as the source. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 00:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The source is the coverage of the Survivor Series - not me, Suriel. Curse of Fenric 00:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a YouTube video of it? I have been checking sources that cover the event and none mention any such promo. TJ Spyke 00:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It was after the Trish/Victoria title match, TJ. I don't have the equipment to put it on You Tube unfortunately. I'll see what I can do about getting someone else to do it but that will take time as I live in the country and not the city. Any suggestions would help. Curse of Fenric 01:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose someone else might have put it up already. When an IP questioned the attendance for 2 PPV's, they provided a YouTube video of JR stating the attendance at the event. If this article does get deleted, it can be recreated if you can proove that it's notable. TJ Spyke 01:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete again. This article is a recreation, this was previously delete! Btw this is not a PPV it's just a tour DVD. Because of that note is why it was deleted last time. Govvy 10:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Change to firm delete Last night I took a break from looking for a new motorbike to Google this event (now THAT is commitment to Wikipedia!) and could not find any reliable source to confirm this as a PPV. I could be wrong, if so prove it! ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 22:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Suriel, you'll have problems finding any Fanatic Series pay per view outside of the last 12 months so that's hardly proof of your case Curse of Fenric 00:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm aware Google hits aren't an indication of notability but when it relates to wrestling, if it aint got a decent source on the net then often it aint got a decent source full stop. I managed to find legit online sources for WCW (now "History of" article) dating back 10 years ago so if it was notable it would be around. As yet no-one has proved this event was an Australian PPV. I see no compelling reason to Ignore All Rules. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 00:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I provided more evidence in my edit above, Suriel. And WCW is a bad example BTW. You could say the same for ECW and indeed the NWA pre WCW. On the IAR - I provided mainstream evidence with the Herald Sun quote (as stated it is a major daily here in Melbourne). Because of local notability, that has to be taken into account. It was issues similar to this that caused me to leave WP - I only came back because this AfD was brought to my attention as I was actually at the show in question. I know that fact isn't enough by itself, but I can at least say that it was said at the start of the show that it was being recorded as a pay per view (by Tony Chimel) - a statement confirmed as I quoted from the Herald Sun (they probably got it from Chimel as well). Curse of Fenric 00:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Multiple non-trivial coverage is needed. Also, local newspapers usually cover wrestling events (from WWE) in that area, at least from what I have seen. TJ Spyke 00:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not in Australia they don't, TJ. That's why the two page spread is highly unusual - and therefore highly notable. Heck, the attendance record was HUGE news! Curse of Fenric 01:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


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