Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWE The Shield's Final Chapter


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Deletion has clearly been rejected in this discussion. Arguments are roughly split between keeping outright and merging, and this close is without prejudice to any future discussions/bold moves concerning those alternatives. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  01:51, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

WWE The Shield's Final Chapter

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No notable pro wrestling event. The event was announced on April 16, just 5 days before the event itself. Being aired on WWE Network isn't enough for being notable. The event was barely covered, but feels more like WP:Routine, very different from other WWE Network Specials HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * Merge to list of WWE pay-per-view and WWE Network events. Hansen Sebastian's 2nd account (Leave me a message here) 11:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * How do you see a merge to there working? That is a list of events, where would this content fit into that page? -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  12:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe the information is notable for inclusion on Wikipedia and I do not believe there is a viable merge target, as the above suggestion of list of WWE pay-per-view and WWE Network events I do not think is viable. However if we wanted to create a page similar to Impact One Night Only (2019) for WWE's minor events, and merge with Starrcade (2018). -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  13:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you realy think this is a notable, stand alone event? It is just a regular house show that WWE decided to air (just 3 matches). It was announced 5 days before and didn't get too much attention from the media (for example, Beast in the East and WWE in MSG were promoted and covered). I think this is a case of "ey, WWE aired, it's enough for an article". WWE Network has a lot of events and shows and most of them don't have an article because aren't notable as shows. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:20, 22 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - It was Dean Ambrose's last event with The Shield, and it was an actual event aired on the Network. --TheVaughano (talk) 14:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a WWE Network event and is as notable as all the other WWE Network events. Also it notably features a WWE stable's and wrestler's last match in the promotion. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk)
 * Keep or merge per Hansen Sebastian's 2nd account,  Galatz גאליץ  שיחה Talk  and Mt.FijiBoiz. Mosaicberry (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge: From the looks of things, this was apparently (and literally) a last-minute live broadcast from what was originally intended to be a house show. ViperSnake151   Talk  00:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * To where? -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  12:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. 111.68.115.165 (talk) 03:40, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Passes GNG per the fact that it is an independent WWE Network event on the same level as others such as The Beast in the East, Roadblock (March 2016), WWE Live from Madison Square Garden, Starrcade (2018), Halftime Heat, WWF Xperience, WWE Road to Wrestlemania 22 Tour, WWE vs. ECW Head-to-Head, WWE Raw 1000, WWE Raw 25 Years, amongst others. No plausible merge target is viable, and it establishes independent notability as it was a special event for the Shield's last match. It is reliably sourced like many other wrestling cards. All standalone, original, broadcast WWE cards on the network warrant an article, as thats the minimum criteria for an article. Maybe soon I'll improve it by adding an event section. DrewieStewie (talk)|
 * Merge: Any one who seriously thinks this is notable enough for a standalone article has no idea what they are talking about. Above several articles are pointed to in order to establish notability here but not even noticing that some mentioned aren't even notable. Live from MSG isn't notable. It is about Lesnar's return to MSG and that is it. Nothing really special about that event. Starrcade 18 can be merged with the main article. The 17 show is in there. The original Halftime heat actually has significance but the newest version not by itself. That's why it was merged. WWF Xperience isn't significant. It has 2 sources. It should be deleted. Head to Head isn't either. It wasn't a special episode. It was a weekly segment. The Mania Tour isn't even its own article, it is in the New Zealand article. Most of the ones mentioned were randomly made by new editors because they could. That doesn't mean those establish notability for this. Hell, some of sources in the article we can't even use. PWtorch review of the show uses Wikipedia as a source. This is a non-notable event that was broadcast in order to pull some extra bucks. It had really no advertisement. It didn't sell out the building. No titles changed hands. No big matches really occurred. Ambrose's last WWE doesn't mean anything. What next? We create house show events for every last match for every wrestler? This event can be merged with The Shield (professional wrestling) where it belongs. That is the significance. It doesn't need or should have its own article.-- Will C  21:57, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * As WillC, other stuff exist isn't a reason and some of them aren't notable. We discussed several times the Global Warning event, a very biig event. As some people said, this event was just a house show that WWE decided to air for a few bucks. The whole event, including the backstory isn't notable, it's jsut a regular house show. Sources covered it, but it didn't gain mainsteream atention. Tomorrow I can create soem house shows in Spain since it had mainstream coverage, but in the end, aren't notable. And being aired on WWE Network isn't a reason (it helps, but isn't a reason). There is a big difference between other network specials (Beast East was promoted and gained a lot of attention, starrcade since it was the revival of the WCW EVent), but it doesn't mean every wwe house show has to be created. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * But this wasn’t a house show. That’s where your analogies fall short. Once they decided to air it on TV, it’s no longer a house show. Regardless of the setup. Also Global Warning did not air on TV or PPV or anywhere else. It was an event that was recorded and months later decided to release on home video. Big difference from a live televised event. Also it’s very notable. It was billed as the final match of The Shield, a main event stable that has dominated WWE for years. OldSkool01 (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So has countless of other stables. Doesn't mean it needs its own article. It is only the last match because Ambrose refuses to resign and they've marketed the Shield last match about 30 times before. Wasn't that the point of Fastlane (2019)? It is a marketing strategy. If they have another match in a year, does this article lose all of its notability then? I guess so, then it wasn't notable to begin with. It didn't change the business in any significant way whatsoever. This event is better served as a section of the stable article where the subject matter is discussed. The entire point of this is about the Shield having its last match. Why not put it in the article designed to discuss that very topic??? Nope, we want to make more useless articles that will never be expanded all to expand it because WWE put a camera by a ring and redid the Fastlane card.-- Will C  22:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ”So has countless other stables”. Such as? What other wrestling stables have had an entire special event dedicated to their final match? Regardless of the reason why WWE advertised it as their last match, the bottom line is they did. As for Fastlane, that was their final PPV match. That is accurate. You don’t need to put a whole section on The Shield’s page for a 7-8 match card where they were only in 1 match. You mention it on their page with a link to the full event results if people choose to learn more about that show. OldSkool01 (talk) 12:10, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's no necessary to include every match of the event, just the last match since is the only notable thing. The other matches are house show matches without relevance, the only thing that was promoted was Shield last reunion. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:49, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, not a house show. 4 matches were dark matches, 3 matches aired on TV and clips of a 4th match aired on TV also. Did you even watch it? Also the Shield match was not the only match advertised in advance. On Raw and SmackDown the commentators mentioned the IC Title match will take place also. Not to mention the IC Title was advertised on WWE.com and WWE’s social media. OldSkool01 (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes it was a house show. A house show that was aired. No notable storylines, random title defences, like every other house show. Again, you're giving the event an article just becuase "WWE aired it, so it's notable", not because it's notable. Again, as I said "Not every film aired in Netflix is notable just becuase it's in Netflix". The event recieved barely attention from the media before and after the show. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You clearly don’t understand the concept of a house show. With that said, what media are you talking about? NBC? FOX? CNN? All of the major pro wrestling news sites covered the event. They talked about it before it took place and covered the results afterwards. If there was no attention paid to it, how come we have references from PWInsider, Wrestling Observer and other major sites? Also, what is your definition of “notable”? Be specific. OldSkool01 (talk) 17:22, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * As WillC said "The only argument positioned is that it was the Shield's last match, which means NONE OF THE OTHER MATCHES HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE WHATSOEVER. No titles changed. No big segments or debuts. It wasn't held in a special building or city. It ONLY has the Shield's last matc" --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:28, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So your definition of “notable” is there has to be a title change or a special segment or debut. Do I have to run down a long list of PPV events from the past that don’t fit the criteria of what you specified? Also, what is a “special building”? An arena is an arena. What has to be special about it? As for WillC, scroll down and read my response to the comment you quoted. You are the only one who has voted to delete this page. Literally the only one. Every one else has either voted to keep or merge. And as of right now “keep” has more votes. OldSkool01 (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * OldSkool I'm not sure you understand the concept of a house show. Because the opening line to the wiki article is "A house show or live event is a professional wrestling event produced by a major promotion that is not televised, though they can be recorded." This would still classify as a house show. Diesel winning the WWF title was at a house show, it was recorded. It was still a house show. Matches on house shows can be recorded and released. Doesn't mean they aren't house shows. This event was planned months ago, before Ambrose ever said no to a new deal. It was always planned as just another show. Then last minute they decided to make it a special event to try to make some extra bucks before they lost Ambrose. That is legitimately the only reason this thing exists. You do know the references you are discussing are using Wikipedia as a source. I checked a few. One has a direct link to Wikipedia in its review. And yes, that is the definition of notable. Something of considerable note about the event had to occur in order for it to be considered noteworthy. It being their last match doesn't define this as noteworthy. It was a last minute marketing decision. A special building is something like Collision in Korea or G1 Supercard. It wasn't a widely advertised event that drew a record crowd, wasn't aired on PPV, had nothing special happen other than the exact same tagline as a show 2 months prior, etc. This is just another case of "WWE did it." Just because they did something doesn't make it notable. We gonna get a list of failed Corey Graves projects next because WWE did it? As for your votes discussion. Thats not how this works. Article deletions are always discussions, not petitions. If they aren't talking, their votes don't really mean much because they weren't trying to find a consensus. Also, none of them are pointing to an actual policy or trying to establish notability. An administrator can see from the article that this really doesn't need to be broken off from the main article of the stable. Will C  18:47, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You’ve unknowingly added to my point. You pointed out the definition of house show as “A house show or live event is a professional wrestling event produced by a major promotion that is not televised, though they can be recorded." The Final Chapter event was TELEVISED! It aired live on TV with live commentators at ringside. Examples of house shows that weren’t televised, but recorded and released later on include The Big Event from 1986, Wrestlefest from 1988, Mayhem In Manchester from 1998, Global Warning from 2002. Those all fall under the house show banner because they were not televised. As for Diesel winning the title, yes, that too was a house show. Also it had no commentary and was never released anywhere as an event in itself. As for Final Chapter being advertised as a house show up until about a week before the event, that has nothing to do with anything. Tuesday In Texas from 1991 wasn’t announced until 6 days before it aired. Roadblock from March 2016 was also advertised as a house show up until a few weeks before. Same with Starrcade 2018. Beast In The East was also just going to be a house show up until they decided a few weeks before to air it live on TV. But back to Final Chapter not being a house show, thank you for helping me prove my point. OldSkool01 (talk) 23:28, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That tops the list on semantical arguments. Trying to argue that recording and televised are not the same thing. Must I point out that the event is available on the network so it was recorded. It didn't air only one time. It was recorded and released online. Its a house show by definition then and even your definition because they have be recorded and released later. Which is what happened. They recorded it, then a couple hours later had it available for any time viewing. Will C  22:45, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Semantics? I think not. Just because something is recorded, doesn’t mean it’s gonna be televised. There have been plenty of shows, like the ones I already mentioned, that were recorded but never televised. Clear as day, the house show definition says it is an event that is “NOT TELEVISED”, but may be recorded. Meaning it doesn’t air live on TV, but they might record it and it may or may not get released later on. Final Chapter WAS TELEVISED! It aired live as it happened. The exact opposite of the definition of a house show. It wasn’t like it was recorded and then released days later or weeks later. It aired live on TV and was immediately uploaded to the Network on demand section, just like every other live special event does. Nice try trying to spin it though. OldSkool01 (talk) 23:25, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment At this rate, I see that this could potentially be declared "no consensus" between keep and merge. Keep has a valid argument that a WWE Network broadcast establishes notability because that has been the precedent and that most have been notable, an opinion that is divided between support from inclusionists and opposition from deletionists and potentially inclusionists who feel that this doesn't fit into the inclusionist agenda. Merge has the also valid argument that it doesn't establish notability because of perceived lack of coverage and that they feel that these types of events aren't notable. Nobody here is wrong, it'd divided down the line, and it goes down to what they personally feel is notable and non notable. There are no delete votes except for the initial nomination. We will see if its closed as Keep, merge to one of the above mentioned articles, or no consensus. I would have voted the latter if I were a nonparticipating admin. Additionally,, please keep it WP:CIVIL, because saying that the other view "has no idea what they're talking about" is very bite-ish. Nobody is wrong, they have different views. Some, such as me, also loves wrestling, like you, and they feel that including this will make the encyclopedia better because they feel that covering this is important for informing others about professional wrestling, without leaving anything they feel is important to them and others behind. DrewieStewie (talk) 23:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)DrewieStewie (talk) 23:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * One, learn how to use signatures. Two, that is a civil statement because it is an objective opinion based on perceptions and evidence due to the main argument being "But WWE did it" which is legitimately what the "It aired on the Network" argument really is. Means anything WWE sticks on their streaming service somehow becomes automatically notable because a camera was there. It's a fallacy. And yes everyone has an opinion but after 11 years I can say, yes there are right people and wrong people. I've been in both categories. The meme may have two people, one saying 6 and the other saying 9, but one is right and one is wrong because someone wrote one of those numbers on the ground. This article should be merged with the main stable article. It is about that stable. Stick it with the subject matter because this is just unnecessary splitting.-- Will C  22:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no issue with most of this paragraph, its your opinion. However, I have a major problem with the first sentence, where you told me to learn how to sign. I've been signing posts for a decade now. That was simply a copy paste error I neglected to fix. My bad. Maybe this will still turn to "Keep (no consensus to merge)", Just like what happened to Local embassy. DrewieStewie (talk) 21:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you say something I was supposed to reply to because I don't see a point? Will  C  22:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No. I dont even know why you replied at all. I just wanted to point out how unnecessary that comment you made about signatures was to an experienced editor who is now a Pending changes reviewer. I guess I just saw it as disrespectful. Lets just calm our asses down now, and not push this further than it needs to go. I got too many life things to deal with (which I acknowledge are likely not as overwhelming as for you, but enough to make this an unnecessary roadblock) like essays, last quarter of high school, a parking ticket, graduation planning, new adult responsibilities now that I'm 18, job hunting, and other things to do to be wasting my little time I have on Wikipedia to argue with you about stuff, though I apologise for my role in furthering the argument and I hope we can move on happily and have positive interactions when we cross paths in the future. Better things like me clearing the pending changes backlog whenever I find time to since I just lost that now have to happen instead of this argument. Anyways, take care and stay smooth man. No hard feelings. :) DrewieStewie (talk) 23:23, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - This absolutely should not be deleted. It’s ridiculous to even think otherwise. All WWE pay-per-view and Network events have dedicated pages. Name one WWE PPV/Network event that doesn’t have a page. Everyone that is voting to merge, where do you merge it to? What page? There are plenty of verified sources included on the page as well. Let’s stop the nonsense. OldSkool01 (talk) 21:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Halftime Heat (2019) was voted to merge into Halftime Heat, but that had a viable merge target. This does not. -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  21:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * There is some kind of rule about "every WWE Network event has to have an article"? Every PPV/Network event it's independent notable (as Galatz said, Halftime heat is an example). PPVs are heavly promoted for months, Network specials too (like Beast in the East), but we are talking about this article, a house show that WWE decided to air at the last minute and was barely covered by sources. It was covered, same as many other Events from other promotions. It doesn't mean that every wrestling event has to have an article, no blind-created articles like Halftime heat. It's like Netflix airing a movie and next day "ey, Netflix has a new movie, has to have an article like House of Cards", when some series and movies aren't notable, even if the are aired. About merge it, we can merge with The Shield, since the only notable thing it's Ambrose last match in the promotion, the other matches are just random house show matches. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Halftime Heat was a one match show that shared the same event name with another event from decades ago. Had Halftime Heat 2019 been given a different name, the argument about merging it would be completely different. As for this page being merged with The Shield’s page, that doesn’t work because it wasn’t a one match show. There were 3 matches on the show, including the final match of The Riott Squad, which was noted on commentary, as well as a successful Intercontinental Title defense by Finn Balor. Those should not be relegated to just The Shield’s page. OldSkool01 (talk) 21:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So? Should we create articles for every last match? Riott disbanding it's no notable, like many other stables. A house show defense isn't notable, every week we have 4 defenses in house shows. It's just a house show that was aired. You are so blind that create an article for every little thing WWE makes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HHH Pedrigree (talk • contribs)
 * No, we do not make articles for every last match, we make articles covering televised events those matches took place at. And again, this was NOT just a house show. When something airs live on television it is no longer just a house show. Also this event was plugged heavily on Raw, SmackDown, all of the Network shows, WWE.com and all of WWE’s social media accounts. What other “house shows” get that kind of hype?OldSkool01 (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It appears that this is going to be a trend of them airing at least parts of house shows. That is why I proposed a page like we have for Impact One Night Only (2019) and all these minor shows, like this or like Starrcade, can have a home and we don't need to go through this every time. -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  21:39, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * We don’t know if it’s going to be a trend. This has literally only happened twice, Starrcade 2018 and Shield’s Final Chapter. Plus the One Night Only shows are part of a series. Like In Your House or Saturday Night’s Main Event. Starrcade and the Shield show don’t share any other theme other than both aired on TV. OldSkool01 (talk) 21:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's is merged, I have no problem. My point is (responding to OldSkool) the argument of "It's a WWE aired event" is weak. My question is "is this WWE aired event notable"? You're assuming every aired event is notable and not, an event is not notable just because WWE aired. It's is notable by itself, like every other article in wikipedia. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That is why WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. Every PPV and normal network event is notable due to its wide coverage it gets. I have not seen much outside of WP:ROUTINE to have it stand alone, however enough to warrant its inclusion on wikipedia. That is why I would say we merge Starrcade (2018) and this one into something like Minor WWE Network events. -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  21:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * (3rd attempt at posting on smartphone due to edit conflicts)In addition to dark matches. But as precedent says, an independent airing on the WWE Network not part of a weekly, seasonal, or special series establishes notability. Plus, an event section can be added too. It appears that both sides are refuting each other with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I 100% agree with and . Just please stay civil, OldSkool. Saying it's rediculous to think otherwise isn't as bad as what Will C said, but is still not totally civil. They have their feelings too, and we still have ours too that are both coming head to head, split down the middle. We just need mutual respect. And, please remember to sign your posts with four tidles. Thank you. DrewieStewie (talk) 21:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You use the word precedent which is inherently legal terminology and the issue with that idea is that precedent changes from time to time. Just because something was decided doesn't mean it can't change. This article has a valid merge option. It is the stable article. The only argument positioned is that it was the Shield's last match, which means NONE OF THE OTHER MATCHES HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE WHATSOEVER. No titles changed. No big segments or debuts. It wasn't held in a special building or city. It ONLY has the Shield's last match. That is it. As such, we merge the event into a section of the main stable article. We forgo all the other matches (all 2 that aired besides this one; that extraordinary 15 minutes of important stuff) and discuss only the city, arena, date, and that they fought in the main event against (and I note) the exact same team they had their previous LAST MATCH with. Otherwise, nothing else happened. Ambrose not resigning doesn't mean much.-- Will C  22:29, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ”NONE OF THE OTHER MATCHES HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE WHATSOEVER”. That’s inaccurate. As pointed out before, the event also included the final match of the Riott Squad, which was noted on the show itself. Now whether you personally think that is a big deal or not is irrelevant, but to say none of the other matches had any significance is factually incorrect. Now I’m not saying we should also merge this on the Riott Squad’s page, but in the bigger picture, if we want to open the can of worms that is “Nothing significant happened on this show” then we need to re-evaluate probably tons of WP pages full of wrestling events where nothing “significant” happened. If for no other reason than to keep consistency. That’s a slippery slope to go down. OldSkool01 (talk) 12:10, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not called The Riott Squad's final chapter. Yes, a team that won no belts and are the jobbers of the women's division. Really grasping at straws now. That argument is laughable. To try to position the event is notable for a team splitting that did nothing. They are so insignificant they don't even have an article. It redirects to Ruby Riott. That argument fails on so many levels. Actually arguing for a team that doesn't have a hyperlink in the article and doesn't even have a page because Riott Squad redirects to Ruby. Sure, lets open that can of worms because maybe it is true. Thats a thought. Maybe there are alot of non-notable insignificant events that have been made by new users that are fanboys and realized how to create redlinks are useless. Will C  19:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Where to begin with this... First, they weren’t jobbers. Were they main eventers? No. Not at all. Alicia Fox, Dana Brooke, Lana and others would be considered jobbers. The Riott Squad feuded with Ronda and the Bellas, even having a PPV match against them at Super Show-Down. And Ruby even had a PPV title match against Ronda 2 months ago. Hardly the resume of jobbers. Second, I’m not grasping at straws. There were 3 matches that aired on the Final Chapter live broadcast. If someone asked what the notable points were of each match, they would be Balor’s first Network event IC Title defense, the final match of the Riott Squad and the final match of the Shield. That’s not grasping at straws, that’s stating factual events that occurred on this show. Now if you want to argue that not every PPV event deserves it’s own page, then that’s another argument for another thread. As I mentioned before, I can provide a list of a ton of PPV events that don’t fit the “notable” criteria, which apparently is no title changes, no debuts and no special segments. OldSkool01 (talk) 20:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Riott Squad never won a single match on PPV. Riott lost to Rousey in less than 2 minutes. They are jobbers. You get nothing from arguing that point. That is the exact resume of a jobber. Get put in a spot against someone bigger to get their ass kicked mercilessly. Riott never won a PPV match. A title defense doesn't make an event notable. Certainly not the IC title. It has no meaning. The event didn't even promote his title defense. Moot point. You really don't get how notability works. Just because it happened doesn't mean it is notable. We need actual significance beyond a useless title defense that happens at every house show, a jobber team ending, or a round two of the last match tagline. All of these things can be noted in the primary articles. That is where they'd best serve. Not here. This page is useless. List them. We can start deleting useless pages. You think that argument helps you. No, it is a bluff. You just want to keep pages around because you think "WWE did it" establishes notability. It doesn't. Will C  22:56, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This Riott Squad side-argument is getting away from the original issue, but I’m not saying in any way that they are main eventers or top stars at all. But jobbers is a very specific term used for people who never win matches and are just there to be punching bags for bigger stars. The Riott Squad don’t fit that criteria. Ruby had 2 World Title matches on PPV. Yes she lost, but name another jobber that can say they challenged for a World Title twice on PPV. Also Ruby beat Bayley at Backlash 2018. As for Balor’s match not being promoted, as I’ve already mentioned in this thread, that’s not accurate at all. His match was plugged on Raw, SmackDown, WWE.com, WWE’s social media accounts and wrestling news sites that previewed the event. As for the list of other pages that don’t fit the notable criteria that has been laid out in this thread (no title changes, no debuts, no special segments) off the top of my head I can name a few... No Holds Barred: The Match/The Movie from 1989, In Your House: International Incident from 1996, In Your House: Revenge Of The Taker and In Your House: Cold Day In Hell both from 1997, No Way Out 1998, Judgment Day 2005, Roadblock from March 2016. I could sit down and really analyze all of them and come back with a more comprehensive list from WWE, WCW, ECW, TNA, ROH and other companies, but those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying any of those pages should be deleted or merged, because I’m not one of these people that think too many pages is going to cripple WP. As if the removal of 50 wrestling pages is somehow going to stop WP’s servers from becoming overloaded. WP has about 30 million pages out there. Removing 50, 150 or even 1,000 wrestling pages will not even make a dent in the system. OldSkool01 (talk) 00:47, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, forgot to mention: If I see you forget to sign a post again, you will be Trouted mercilessly. I got my eye on you. ;) Hehe DrewieStewie (talk) 22:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep-This is an important special for WWE as it was broadcasted on the WWE Network and it does show what is quite possibly the farewell for the Shield. Jbl1975 (talk)


 * Merge Rigth now there isn't enough on this page to justify an article, maybe in the future.★Trekker (talk) 04:08, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to the article on The Shield – Not notable event that was only announced a few days before, and no lasting notability. StaticVapor message me!   19:41, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


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