Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wade Betschart


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Wade Betschart

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Never played professionally, fails WP:ATH and WP:NSPORT.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  20:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  --  Eagles   24/7   (C)  20:38, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  --  Eagles   24/7   (C)  20:38, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Preliminary comment/question. There have been 10 college football players nominated for deletion in a 20-minute span today by Eagles247.  It will take time to research each of these.  Can you confirm that, before nominating, you reviewed the google news hits to determine whether these players had sufficient coverage while playing college ball to meet general notability standards?  Cbl62 (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep yes, lots of regional coverage but there's some coverage in national news as well. Worth a stub.--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please point me to a national news article that mentions Betschart? I can't seem to find anything non-trivial.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - insufficient non-trivial coverage to establish notability. cmadler (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:NSPORT, and I'm with Eagles247; I'm not seeing national news articles describing the subject in significant detail.  Ravenswing  17:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NSPORT is an inclusionary standard. "Failing" WP:NSPORT is not a ground for deletion.  A college football player warrants an article if he/she has received significant, non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media.  This is a close case, but as noted below, I don't think the coverage quite reaches that level in this case. Cbl62 (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. The lead section of NSPORTS is "This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sportsperson, sports league, or an amateur/professional sports league organization will meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia. The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the criteria. If the article does meet the criteria set forth below, then it is likely that sufficient sources exist to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways." (emphasis in the original)   Ravenswing  20:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Wrong. The language you've quoted confirms that NSPORTS is an inclusionary guideline, not an exclusionary one.  A college football player who "fails" NSPORTS is not excluded from Wikipedia.  It is one of the ways to be included.  In the discussion leading to the adoption of NSPORTS, the sponsors repeatedly assured me and others that it would not be applied as an exclusionary standard.  A college football player who never plays professional football still gets included if he/she has non-trivial coverage (i.e., more than passing references in game coverage) in the mainstream media sufficient to satisfy GNG.  In any event, we agree that Mr. Betschart doesn't meet either of our standards.  Cbl62 (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete While I strongly disagree that news coverge has to be in the "national" news media to satisfy general notability standards, I don't see enough significant news coverage focusing on Betschart even at the regional/state levels, as opposed to routine coverage of the Wyoming football team. There are a couple newspaper stories from the Casper Star-Tribune (circulation c. 30,000) that focus at least in part on him,  but they fall a little short IMO.  Cbl62 (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.