Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wadi quda'ah


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  12:26, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Wadi quda'ah

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Unsourced and non-notable village. It fails WP:GNG and there is no evidence of notability anywhere. For a start, there are zero hits on Google Maps and it shows that this is a non-existent place as well. Pkbwcgs (talk) 10:31, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. Pkbwcgs (talk) 10:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Pkbwcgs (talk) 10:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: Looks more like a WP:DEL7 case so far than a WP:DEL8 case. The article was created by an IP-editor back in 2005. I had a look at their global contributions, especially their contributions on Arabic Wikipedia, but that gave me no further clue to the location. "35 km north-east of Ras Al Khaimah" brings us into Oman. I had a look at the maps in the area of Sha'am, but nothing is named "Wadi Quda'ah", AFAICT. Allow me to pin . Sam Sailor 11:10, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If this place cannot be found anywhere, then this is probably a hoax and by far it could be a hoax that has been extant the longest. 13 years and 7 months if we count tomorrow. It could make the top of List of hoaxes on Wikipedia if this is indeed a hoax and I have a strong suspicion that it is as it is nowhere on Google Maps. This for verification that it is not a place. Pkbwcgs (talk) 11:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You were looking in the wrong spot for a place of a slightly different name. SportingFlyer  talk  12:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't find anything about this subject other than mirror sites replicating our article. Even if the village exists, Sam Sailor is correct - 35 km North East of Ras Al Khaimah would be in Oman, so at least one of the assertions in this single sentence article is demonstrably false. Ditch it. Girth Summit  (blether)  11:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and move to Wadi Qada'a. The place certainly exists but with a slightly different transliteration and is not a hoax full of caracals and rock climbing opportunities, with co-ordinates listed here: and other coverage    . Also a mention here:  I think the "about 35 kilometers northeast" is a bit misleading as this is likely the distance by car (possibly from 14 years ago) and not as the crow flies. I'm also not sure if it's a valley or a settlement from English language sources, but I think it passes WP:GEOLAND or WP:GEOFEAT either way. SportingFlyer  talk  12:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I am actually looking deeper now, and it seems to exist. Here is what I have found so far looking for transliteration alternatives:
 * Tribulus, The Journal of the Emirates Natural History Group, vol. 3, no. 1, April 1993, p. 23: "...been confused with the Ethiopian Hedgehog. (Pargechinus aethiopicus dorsalis), of which two reports of road casualties were received from the Wadi Quda'a ..."
 * Tribulus, The Journal of the Emirates Natural History Group, vol. 3, no. 2, October 1993, p. 23: "...one dead in the Wadi Quda'a on March 12th ..."
 * Sam Sailor 12:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sam Sailor 12:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep if it is a genuine village. scope_creep (talk) 14:17, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Sam Thanks for the ping. It may well be a thing, but can we stand up GNG on a dead hedgehog? It's likely an area rather than 'a legally recognised settlement' and it's clearly not notable other than for our two dimensional friends... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a "wadi," which is about the only Arabic word I definitively know the meaning of - and as far as dry valleys go, this one is populated, is verifiable beyond mere statistics, and has been covered in at least two languages other than Arabic. I took a small crack at improving the article, but more can be done, and there's a lot more here than just a dead hedgehog. Passes WP:GEOFEAT. SportingFlyer  talk  22:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I can understand you not knowing what algebra means (who does), but you don't know about alcohol? SpinningSpark 22:47, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't drink, nor was I referring to etymologies. SportingFlyer  talk  23:38, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. From link [6] above "Residents of Wadi Qada’a were offered the opportunity to pave a road into their wadi. Elders were opposed, wanting to keep their wadi comparatively remote." So not only is it populated, but it has political leadership.  Whether any of that has legal recognition, I don't know, but it puts it well on the way to a GEOLAND pass.  I would have thought that all named, substantial wadis in the UAE were pretty much notable, and this one is verifiably part of established hiking trails. Let's do our bit to protect the hedgehogs. SpinningSpark 22:41, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, PhantomSteve</b>/ talk ¦ contribs \ 20:10, 30 October 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:15, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Spinningspark. /Julle (talk) 11:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per SportingFlyer and Spinningspark. SJK (talk) 09:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)


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