Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wagner University


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The result was delete. Clear consensus against having an article; the arguments to redirect, while based in policy, are largely outweighed by those arguing that this title is not an appropriate redirect to the proposed target. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:14, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Wagner University

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Non-notable institution that is not independently accredited; fails WP:NORG. I would like to restore the redirect to Wagner College, but this is contested, so I am bringing this to AfD to hopefully reach a consensus to do so. DanCherek (talk) 02:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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Notified: Talk:Wagner College. DanCherek (talk) 03:27, 10 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete I'd go so far as to say that this is a WP:HOAX. The "university" website lists a private residence as their address. The website uses ".university" instead of the customary ".edu". Wikipedia is not for promoting diploma mills/tax schemes. KidAd  •  SPEAK  06:49, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Wagner College. The article is about a non-notable university that might be a hoax, but restoring the redirect is appropriate because it can be a valid search term. Colin Bear ( talk  - contributions) 15:53, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete the article. I'm not sure about a redirect. I see ColinBear's point that some might call "Wagner College" as "Wagner University" but we don't always have such redirects (for example, Williams College doesn't have a redirect at Williams University). The downside of such a redirect is that if Wagner University is a WP:HOAX then the redirect would tarnish the reputation of Wagner College.VR talk 16:34, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Wagner College per the RS provided by below.VR talk 21:49, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per KidAd. Wagner College is not related to Wagner University so a redirect is absolutely not valid here. – The Grid  ( talk )  20:17, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I think it is a plausible redirect to Wagner College, primarily because there are numerous reliable sources that use the term "Wagner University" to refer to the college (for example, ). "College" and "university" are often used interchangeably in the U.S., and the redirect received 414 pageviews last year, so there are presumably readers who benefit from it. DanCherek (talk) 20:50, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * College and university is interchangeable in the US but these are proper nouns. Wagner College is not Wagner University. We didn't know a Wagner University existed until 2 days ago provided the intention of the redirect when it was created in 2008. No other activity has existed on this page. Providing a redirect will not be beneficial here. – The Grid  ( talk )  01:24, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, I see a tremendous benefit to helping readers who look up "Wagner University" based on all of these websites who use the term to refer to the Staten Island college, and helping those people arrive at the intended article. Please also note the existence of these 613 redirects of "_____ University" to "_____ College" or vice versa on the English Wikipedia. This is not some kind of isolated anomaly; this kind of redirect makes sense and is frequently created for a reason. DanCherek (talk) 02:56, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, Don't Redirect While it's not wikipedia's role to promote non-notable online universities, it's also not it's role to wipe away their existence. Redirecting Wagner University to Wagner College would seem to have that effect. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 21:22, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, don't redirect. I don't believe this article is a hoax, as I did find one passing mention of its original title,  |the Wagner Leadership Institute, in a reliable newspaper source. Additionally, there appears to have been a Wagner University in New York, and Wagner College does not appear to be related to it, so a redirect would be misleading. Let's keep it simple and just delete this article that lacks appropriate sourcing. Cheers! — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 15:32, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I struck one of my comments aboeve-- I took another look at the external links for "Wagner University" and have concluded  they are just the result of slipshod reporting. Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 02:56, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


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