Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wagnerian rock


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The result was Keep - Peripitus (Talk) 11:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wagnerian rock

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This is an original-research essay that gives no citation, let alone an authoritative one, that the subject matter is an established subgenre among critics, musicologists or anyone else. "A genre created by Jim Steinman"? Please. This article is rock-fan writing, it is not encyclopedic, and for the sake of retaining the Music Genre project's credibility, this needs to be removed. It's ridiculous. --24.215.162.198 (talk) 16:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Text copies from talk page. ➨ REDVEЯS is a satellite and will be set alight 13:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per failing WP:NOR. ArcAngel (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The term does in fact seem to be in use, particularly to refer to artists like Meatloaf. Sadly, most of the Google news results are behind paywalls, but they seem to be more or less in agreement on the definition.  I'll take a look around to see if there's something more authoritative and focused, but given that the term seems to be from the early 90s, I suspect that the lion's share of sources will be found offline instead. -- jonny - m  t  14:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a start. -- jonny - m t  14:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Smerge some to Jim Steinman maybe but a genre this is not. And as a Laibach maven I must further protest the content as it stands Plutonium27 (talk) 20:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Smerge to Jim Steinman. This term is primarily applied to Bat Out of Hell. --Dhartung | Talk 23:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems to have currency in the rock world 600+ Google Book hits. Benji boi 01:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment If you don't put quotes around he search term, or use a period in between [on Google only], you get unrelated results. With "Wagnerian rock" there ar only 8 results, and half of those have no relevance whatsoever. Google: Basics of search --Dhartung | Talk 02:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand that but many of those references were to Wagnerian rock but simply didn't use that exact phrase. Our goal is not to delete useful content here it's to see if there is merit to keeping an article that needs improving and in this case i think there is. Benji boi 02:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   — Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - I've looked around, and while I can't find a lot of notable references, I've added a few from various newspapers, including one from Time Magazine. The term is in use, and it is applied to more than just Meatloaf and Steinman, so I'm willing to go with a weak keep rather than a merge, if only because the merge suggestions assume that it is Steinman specific, and that doesn't seem to be the case. - Bilby (talk) 16:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Article is now backed up by ten footnotes.  I think we've confirmed that it's not "original research". Squidfryerchef (talk) 20:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep article was helpful, no matter if there are citatations or not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.5.206 (talk) 20:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Sorry for posting anonymously, I can't find my password at the moment. Good job to the people who found citations for the non-Steinman artists. If anyone needs any more articles for the term being applied to Jim Steinman's music, there are several articles hosted on Jim's website. A couple of them are from noted magazines like Rolling Stone and Circus, from 1981 and 1977, respectively. Hope this helps. --Ben M. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.7.61.27 (talk) 21:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


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