Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wagon Wheel, Oxnard, California


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep, clear consensus. Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 22:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Wagon Wheel, Oxnard, California

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AfD nominated by DUBJAY04 with reasons: "article is span" (sic) and "It seems rather an attempt to stir up publicity for a new economic venture." This is a procedural nomination - my opinion is Neutral Tevildo 21:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ive been following this article for a little while, the initial speedy request was commented that this article was notable because there was newspaper coverage of the wagon wheel. The creator of the original article claimed that "The players in the story are dead and the businesses closed so it is not a commercial page but rather a page of regional information and a link to the architecture of the 1940s and 1950s." A few days later the Future appeared, which simply seems to be a plea from the investor or the seller concerning the merits and potentials for future economic ventures. I had a scent of that before the future part was added, but left it alone. Now I think this article reeks of someone trying to make money.DUBJAY04 23:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC) I may have used the wrong forum for this, but I basically wanted to make sure that this didn't become a pitching ground for a sale of this property, which the article initially was, and then was reverted back to after initial changes. Although I was born in California, I have no knowledge of the Wagon Wheel, and have attempted to edit this article to make it the best possible. I believe in the validity of this article, but am not sure how to keep it from regressing into spam. I guess this was an attempt to let Schafphoto, who previously had his username deleted because it was an ad, know that an article should not be used to sell a property, or whatever his motives are. If possible, I would like to remove this article from AfD, but would like to keep an eye on it to be sure it doesn't revert to pure advertising.DUBJAY04 23:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - I'd like to withdraw my nominationDUBJAY04 23:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Conditional Keep It is notable enough, but the 'future' crap should be removed as that is clearly POV and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.--155.144.251.120 02:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep There are plenty of references by reliable sources in this one. Even the ones that have hyperlinks appear to demonstrate notability, like the ones by the Los Angeles Times, the VC Reporter  and the Ventura County Star .  Yes, a POV tag might be appropriate for some of it, but not deletion.  --Oakshade 08:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The nomination for deletion is completely baseless. Some portions need to be re-written (just like every other article on Wikipedia) to maintain a neutral point of view, so take the time and the effort it takes to contribute to the rewrite DUBJAY04, instead of trying to get it deleted.  The Wagon Wheel is a significant part of Oxnard's history, and I suspect will be a significant part of it's future as it is one of the most visible portions of the city.  Take all things into consideration before making such a hasty judgment.  Dcmcgov 09:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The Wagon Wheel is a significant part of Oxnard's mid-century history, and it is the most recognizable structure in Oxnard for the many people who do not exit the freeway, because it is remarkably unchanged since 1947. In California almost all the freeway frontage has been redeveloped or replaced with concrete sound walls, yet this building stands as a classic element of roadside America. The original developer of the Wagon Wheel died in 2001 and has been labeled the most important developer in Oxnard history, the Wagon Wheel was his first real estate investment, and the Financial Plaza towers on the Oxnard page were one of his latest. The building may well be nominated for the National Register of Historic Places, and as a Oxnard Landmark in the next 6 months, or it could be demolished to make way for a new development. The demolition will bring with it another flurry of newspaper articles and news stories, and make the Wagon Wheel even more noteworthy after-the-fact. In the end, whatever happens to the Wagon Wheel, the people of Oxnard want to know, the people driving on the 101 freeway want to know, and the preservationists and lovers of roadside Americana are going to want to know, how big an audience do you have to prove to be on Wikipedia?--Schafphoto 16:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)schafphoto
 * Keep. If the city is studying an Environmental Impact Report on the structure, it may very well be eligible for some kind of historic preservation.  Even if it isn't, the building still appears to have enough history to make it notable.  Maybe some cleanup is necessary, but outright deletion isn't.  --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 22:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.