Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waide Fairhurst


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The result was   delete both as neither pass WP:ATHLETE. Leave me a note if they make their debuts, and I'll restore them. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  22:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Waide Fairhurst

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Contested PROD, reason being as the football season starts in a few weeks and so the player might play, this is crystal ballery. Player fails notability at WP:ATHLETE having never played in a fully professional league / competition. --Jimbo[online] 19:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I am also nominating Andrew Boyce for the exact same reason.


 * Delete both - per nom. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 20:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep and relist in a fortnight if necessary. I noted in the deprod that "Season starts in less than 24-hours. Recommend wait a week or two before deleting to see if he is playing" not "reason being as the football season starts in a few weeks and so the player might play". Doncaster plays Derb on August 8th. I see no reason to start AfDing players less than 24-hours before the game. I have no idea who might play, but this seems like an extreme waste of everyone's time, and a violation of both WP:FAITH and WP:POINT. Nfitz (talk) 20:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, Doncaster plays on August 9th of course - for some reason I was thinking it was Friday when I wrote this. Point stands though ... Nfitz (talk) 08:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, according to this, the game has already finished and neither Fairhurst nor Boyce played. Nsk92 (talk) 06:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom unless he plays during this AFD (within the next 5 days).  Gtstricky Talk or C 20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - Notability Issues, quite presumptive to write an article.  « l | Ψrom3th3ăn ™ | l »   (talk) 00:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a speedy, notability is asserted, and presumptiveness so far isn't mentioned at WP:CSD. -- Amalthea Talk 12:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Would also support speedy close. I think it is a misapplication of WP:CRYSTAL to invoke it here. WP:CRYSTAL is aimed to prevent articles based on speculations and rumors and makes it clear that "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." That seems to be the case here with the August 8th game (almost certain to take place) and, in fact, in general with Fairhurst competing for Doncaster in the near future: it was verifified that they did sign him up and it is clear that he will play unless something quite unforseen happens. One of the criteria of WP:ATHLETE explicitly states: "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis." It is clear that this criterion will almost certainly be factually satisfied in a few days (and the spirit of this requirement is satisfied already), likely even tomorrow, which would be before this AfD is supposed to close. I don't see much point in having this AfD now. I agree with Nfitz that waiting a couple of weeks would have been much better in this case. Nsk92 (talk) 02:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Changing to Neutral. The Aug 9 game has already finished but neither Fairhurst nor Boyce played. Nsk92 (talk) 06:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per Gtsricky. Restore if/when they make their respective professional appearances. –  LATICS   talk  03:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom - not notable yet, so the article is just a tad premature Ohconfucius (talk) 04:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete fails both WP:ATHLETE and WP:N. Userfy and recreate if ever appropropriate to do so. Doesn't belong in mainspace until they meet criteria for inclusion (they may never play at the highest level). Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding "may never play at the highest level", I think you may be looking at the wrong part of WP:ATHLETE. That item refers to participation in amateur sports. For professional sports there is a separate criterion of WP:ATHLETE which reads:"Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis." Doncaster Rovers is a part of Football League Championship, the top tier of The Football League, which is a fully professional football league in the U.K. Nsk92 (talk) 12:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He hasn't made an appearance for Doncaster as of yet (other than friendlies, which don't count as I understand the policy). He may God/Allah/Buddah/whomever forbid get hit by a bus tonight and never play for them in a fully competitive match. He therefore fails WP:ATHLETE. He doesn't have significant coverage to pass WP:N either. Hence my userfy suggestion. Jasynnash2 (talk) 12:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per Nfitz - although he technically fails WP:ATHLETE yet, deleting it mere days before the season starts is very pointy. Deletion would not be constructive, only take up more time at a deletion review. If anything he should be Redirected for now to Doncaster Rovers F.C.. Dito Andrew Boyce for the exact same reason. -- Amalthea Talk 12:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete until he fulfils the criteria. Stifle (talk) 14:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - no indication either will play anytime soon; weren't even available as a substitute in Saturday's game. Nfitz (talk) 05:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Doncaster Rovers F.C. - fails WP:ATHLETE, but is a member of the current squad. -- Amalthea Talk 09:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


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