Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wait Your Turn (Rihanna Song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Rated R (Rihanna album). Cirt (talk) 01:56, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Wait Your Turn (Rihanna Song)

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 * Redirect of this duplicate was undone today. Amalthea  20:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Topic fails WP:NSONGS. This song from Rated R (Rihanna album) has not been confirmed as a single, despite prior reports by the song's producer Stargate (production team). Samples from it were used in promotion of the album. That's I believe why it is named a "promo single" in the current version of the article. Was redirected by several editors to the parent album, but keeps being recreated both at Wait Your Turn and Wait Your Turn (Rihanna Song) (and previously at The Wait is Ova + alternative spellings). Note that there are older versions in the respective histories that are slightly more detailed than this current version. Still, I believe the topic fails community consensus about notability of songs, detailed at WP:NSONGS, and information should be (and already is!) placed in the album article. Amalthea 14:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Rated R (Rihanna album) and full protect. Also, Hard (song), The Wait is Ova, and any similarly-titled versions of the listed article should be full-protected until there is enough sourced information about them to have a decently-sized article. I have redirected pages like this several times over the last week, but some of these Rihanna fans do not seem to grasp the concept of WP:ITEXISTS and WP:N which is why these articles need to be fully protected.  Chase wc 91  21:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hard (song) is on a different topic, and would need a separate AfD. Amalthea  20:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, "Hard" seems to be notable enough now. It's decently-sized (barely) and it has charted on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs in the U.S.. However, this song is still not notable.  Chase wc 91  05:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, and this is coming from a WP:DELETIONIST. WP:NSONGS says "a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article". A music video has been made and there are plenty of sources. You said that - "Note that there are older versions in the respective histories that are slightly more detailed than this current version", meaning that the issues are more editorial than AfD-based as there are other sources around. Dale 21:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect and protect - To Dalejenkins, the line before what you quoted in WP:NSONGS says "Most songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for the songwriter, a prominent album or for the artist who prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable." It then goes on to say "Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article."... reliable sources or not, this song has not charted, nor won any awards... therefore, it does not pass the notability concerns, and should be redirected... At least "Hard" has charted... - Adolphus79 (talk) 05:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Important Note - the song has now been confirmed as the album's official 3rd single, rather than just a promotional single. Dale 17:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source for that? I see lots of outdated information floating around from when it was said to be the second single release, but nothing new on google news (and I don't consider the list entry at radio1.gr reliable in that respect. Rihannanow.com doesn't confirm it. Cheers, Amalthea  18:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - Being a single -- or a future single -- does not make a song notable. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect and Protect - No indication of notability unless and until it is released and charts or otherwise meets WP:NSONGS . - SummerPhD (talk) 18:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Protect per nom.   talk 14:59, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.