Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wali Kirani


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus to keep, and per source provided in the discussion. The purpose of AFD is not to force editors to add sources. Notability does not depend on the inclusion of sources, only on the existence of such sources. (non-admin closure) Vaca  tion  9  00:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Wali Kirani

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The only two sources for this article are in regard to information about the town the person is from, not the person himself. There is a lot of original research regarding family trees and photographs of the person's gravesite. I'm not convinced, after a few years of the citation tag being there, that anyone will take the efforts to prove the subject's notability. MezzoMezzo (talk) 13:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, if this is not a WP:HOAX, then notability should not be an issue (saints in a major religion, even if only revered in a specific area, are notable). Do note that the Urdu wikipedia article is older than the English one, if this had been an outright fraud I'm sure there are people there that should have reacted. Also, do note that there would be many different ways to write the name in English. That said, the article needs some massive copyediting and attention from expert on the subject. --Soman (talk) 14:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Change to Keep, see http://books.google.com/books?id=Jr21AAAAIAAJ, page 330 "The village comprises the mahdls under the Naurang, Malak, Kirani and Mast kdrizts and also Karakhsa, and is said to have been established, some seven generations back by Khwaja Wali, a Maudiidi or Chishti Saiad, whose grave with that..." --Soman (talk) 14:52, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Must be kept.Notability is already established.Msoamu (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * See, I have no way of checking these things. It has sat untended for so long, and it seems as though non-Urdu speakers have no access to these sources. I'd be willing to fully withdraw any intimations of deletion if one of you or someone else who speaks Urdu would properly source this. Saints in any religion are important, but my issue with articles like this - which are primarily OR - is, how do we decide who is a saint and who is just an editor's pet project?
 * So is someone willing to put forth the time and effort for this article? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep - forcing editors to bring sources in this way isn't the purpose of AfD, is it? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.