Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter Christie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is to keep the article. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 23:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Walter Christie

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PROD tag removed with rationale "NYT obit is defacto notability" something not enshrined in any policy or in common-sense. Are we suggesting every individual to receive an obituary on the back pages of The Times of London; The New Zealand Herald or The Times of India is notable? Or just Americans? The New York Times is the local newspaper for this area as well. This one-year Mayor fails WP:NPOL and also fails WP:GNG as not having received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" AusLondonder (talk) 02:13, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Founder of a city with a full obituary in the New York Times and a full biography written in 1900, both independent of him. He did not own the New York Times or the company that published the biography, or the book about the town he was mayor of. You also do not have an understanding of the political hierarchy in New Jersey, he was a freeholder, a county level elected political office, as well as a mayor. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:08, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): What is the full biography about him? The book about the town is likely not significant coverage because he was Mayor for a year. AusLondonder (talk) 03:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * He founded the town, it sounds like you did not read the article or the source material. I think you are mad because I deprodded the article. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:00, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note:Page creator !voted keep prior to a rationale for deletion being provided causing an edit conflict AusLondonder (talk) 02:13, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. AusLondonder (talk) 02:19, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Christie's role in the founding of Bergenfield is a rather strong claim of notability and the extensive coverage about him in books and newspaper articles is unassailable evidence of that claim. fails to understand the obligations under WP:BEFORE to actually look for sources; merely not liking the article or the response to a deProd is a rather poor justification for deletion. Ignorance is no excuse, be it of policy or sources. Alansohn (talk) 12:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * How about you assume good faith and stop making stupid, wild and false allegations. I couldn't care less about the deprod. I knew very well he would deprod. I don't take your claim a single obituary in the back pages of the New York Times is "extensive coverage" seriously quite frankly. AusLondonder (talk) 03:18, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * You wrote: "I knew very well he would deprod", but if you did, then why didn't you take it to AFD instead of PROD directly? As soon as I deprodded, you jumped to AFD, but you knew I was going to deprod. I still think you were angry, and jumped to AFD without doing any research by reading any of the source material, you just saw a stub, and wanted to get rid of it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:04, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Have you read the obituary? Do you have any idea what the f$%@ you're talking about in summarily rejecting a major obituary in the nation's de facto newspaper of record? At what page number in the Times do sources stop counting? Alansohn (talk) 03:28, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Not every person granted an obit in The Thunderer or the NYT is going to turn out to be WP:Notable, but enough of them are that such an obit would certainly make me !vote keep at an AfD.
 * I'm surprised though that the NYT obit describes him first as a banker (in New York?) rather than for his connection to Bergenfield, yet there's no mention of this is the article? Andy Dingley (talk) 14:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Have a read of WP:GNG and WP:NPOL then. A single source is nowhere near enough to keep a local politician. AusLondonder (talk) 02:48, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep There are already three cited sources, and given what those sources say he did, I am confident that a search through offline newspaper archives would find several more, at least. DES (talk) 03:15, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * How about you stop being "confident" and actually do the work then? Or is that too much to ask? AusLondonder (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually it is. WP:V says that statements must be verifiable, not verified. WP:N says: "if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability. and he absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable. Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article. Thus, before proposing or nominating an article or deletion, or offering an opinion based on notability in a deletion discussion, editors are strongly encouraged to attempt to find sources for the subject in question and consider the possibility of existent sources if none can be found by a search." My comments went to that "possibility of existent sources". That said, I added an additional citation to the article after I commented here. DES (talk) 03:41, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. As Alansohn says, this has a strong claim of notability.  GBooks has a substantial number of additional potential sources, and for example this university-press book about Bergenfield (that mentions Christie on at least 28 pages) is now cited in the article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 03:21, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Please see the discussion I have raised regarding sources at Wikipedia talk:Notability AusLondonder (talk) 07:53, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - a New York Times obituary is a pretty good start in terms of establishing notability, and this clinches it for me. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep notable, referenced. VanEman (talk) 22:28, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep As the founder of the town, which is well attested to in the sources. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - The book coverage combined with the newspaper obit strikes me as significant coverage. Neutralitytalk 01:09, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:40, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


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