Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter Greason


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The result was   delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Walter Greason

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Not notable per WP:ACADEMIC. Achievements are limited to having been an associate professor at Ursinus College; being currently a visiting assistant professor at Monmouth; editing a non-notable magazine; heading a group that he founded this year; and writing several books and articles, none of which seems to have been "highly cited", much less having made a "significant impact". His journalistic activities also fail to meet the criteria set out in WP:AUTHOR. Alexrexpvt (talk) 15:12, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The subject fails multiple notability criteria. Majoreditor (talk) 20:06, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not notable. Fails WP:ACADEMIC and WP:BLP --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 00:10, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:AVOIDCOI original editor. The original suggestion for deletion that the subjects only claim to notability is having been an associate professor at Ursinus College is incorrect. He was also elected the Treasurer for the Society of American City and Regional Planning History (SACRPH), sourced in the article, a feat which would not have been possible if he had not made a "significant impact" within the field of urban planning, since it was peers within the discipline, represented by member scholars, who elected him treasurer of the organization. Also, other articles have been published on subjects who are similarly relatively young and therefore have relatively small bibliographies, such as Marc Lamont Hill whose relatively small list of works cited was presumably bolstered by appearances in media like Ebony. The claim that the subject's work has not been "widely cited" is not valid on several counts. Firstly, according to Worldcat.org's search results for Hill, his name brings up 77 results, while a search for this subject brings up 34 results. This is interesting considering that Hill is notable for writing a monograph on Hip Hop Pedagogy called Beats, Rhymes and Classroom Life, a topic which is not bound by place or time, while my subject's work about suburban and rural communities in New Jersey is WP:CARES. Assertions that the subjects work have not had a significant impact do not account for the light footprint of Urban planning in national  consciousness and on Wikipedia itself. Original nom came less than  24 hours after much less complete version of article WP:CHANCE, WP:OVERZEALOUS and WP:NOTIMELIMIT.Griffin Walsh (talk) 23:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Holy WP:TLDR, Batman. See also WP:OTHERSTUFF. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:29, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * (1) Worldcat is a list of library holdings, not a measure of the number of times a work has been cited.
 * (2) Google Scholar and Microsoft Academic Search are better, though not infallible, guides. The latter lists one paper by Greason, which has been cited once. The former has eleven listings for Greason: one is irrelevant, three are book reviews by Greason, two are articles by Greason (no citations), one is a book by someone else, and one is a book by Greason. The latter is cited at least once in this article. His work is grouped with several others in two footnotes. Choosing one of those at random, "Black Corona: Race and the Politics of Place in an Urban Community", which deals with a single neighbourhood in New York and was published nine years after Greason's work, I see that it has 280 citations. "Our Town: Race, Housing, and the Soul of Suburbia", which focuses largely on a single neighbourhood in NJ, has at least 105 citations. Even by the standards of his own discipline, he seems to be seldom cited.
 * (3) Anyone can join SACRPH. The board of directors has at least one assistant professor, the lowest, non-tenured postgraduate academic position. The executive has several associate professors, the lowest tenured position. I see no concrete evidence that being on the board or executive of SACRPH is equivalent to, say, a Guggenheim Fellowship or a Fellowship of a Royal Society. Alexrexpvt (talk) 05:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Afterthought: If you use Worldcat to measure the number of holdings worldwide, you'll see that, e. g., Marc Lamont Hill has 634 holdings compared to Greason's 57. The author of "Black Corona", incidentally, has 1,914 holdings on Worldcat, and the author of "Our Town", 10,630. Alexrexpvt (talk) 06:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
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