Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter Hus


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I would re-list this to give time for an evaluation of the additional sources, but it's been re-listed thrice already, so I'm not doing that. WP:TOOSOON doesn't seem to apply to a career lasting this long. My recommendation would be to discuss the additional sources on the article's talk page and giving some time for wider community participation before bringing this to AfD again. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:29, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Walter Hus

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Notability: insufficient references to establish notability RJFJR (talk) 19:20, 14 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment A quick Google search turns up this very Wikipedia article followed by Vimeo, Facebook, Youtube, and IMDb. The French Wikipedia has an article but it, too, has no references, like the Russian (?) one.  Found this result in Dutch which looks like it might be the right kind of coverage, though all of this makes me wonder why there is no article in the Dutch Wikipedia about him. A loose noose (talk) 21:00, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I did a quick search for "Walter Hus" in the Belgian Gopress newspaper archive, and found over 400 articles: 66 in De Morgen, 57 in De Standaard, 56 in Het Nieuwsblad, 38 in De Tijd, 37 in La libre Belgique, 32 in Le Soir, etc. The Wikipedia article as it stands has not been kept up to date, but Hus has done a number of noteworthy things in the last couple of years, amongst others a Comic Strip Opera with Chris Ware ('Opera met strips verbinden is subversief', De Morgen, 2 March 2012, http://gpr.me/tq1xy00h1s/, account needed), and lots of work with the Decap Dance organ (see a.o. 'Un violoncelle, un accordéon et un orchestre mécanique', Le Soir, 2 November 2017, http://gpr.me/ffx4zt081x/, account needed). -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 21:51, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I missed this before recommending "delete." If you add 2 or 3 articles of the quality that you're implying exist—as references—I'd change my vote. Tapered (talk) 01:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Added a couple of sources. - Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 07:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belgium -related deletion discussions. WeAreAll Here  talk  02:47, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. WeAreAll Here  <sub style="color:blue">talk  02:47, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete The article's only listed ref is a mention in what appears to be a fairly exhaustive listing of contemporary composers. The only nearly significant mention from the search tools is a dedicated section of a list of composer/performers in a blog. Nowhere near the threshold for WP:NM. Delete. Tapered (talk) 01:37, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Added a number of sources, but even so, the above is incorrect. See e.g. http://muziekcentrum.kunsten.be/identity.php?ID=133974, with a list of printed references. :) - Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 07:51, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, two of the articles added as references require a GoPress account, whatever that is. One is from BruzzOut, which has no Wikipedia page. One is from an 11 year old film festival. Not this editor's idea of WP:RS. Please see Articles for deletion/Lena Piękniewska, for the kinds of sources editor Puncinus produced to substantiate notability. Tapered (talk) 03:48, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * A little bit of walkback. The self-published biography from the Arts Point contains promising looking sources. Tapered (talk) 04:53, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't get the "self-published" -- do you mean that Hus wrote this article himself? Or do you mean self-published in the sense that it has no "traditional publisher"? As to that: the Flanders Music Centre is an official publication of the Flemish government. Bruzz has a Wikipedia page at https://www.wikiwand.com/nl/BRUZZ_(krant) which I'm sure you can run through Google translate - tl;dr: it's sort of Brussels' BBC. And GoPress is the online database of just about all Belgian media. Hey, you know what? It has no Wikipedia page, but there's an About page you could also quickly run through Google translate here: https://www.gopress.be/info/nl/about. This is all very disheartening, and not a great way to make people feel welcome. I sort of remember from a long time ago there used to be something like WP:AGF, so when I said I "found over 400 articles" (by which I meant *print* articles, in Belgium's leading newspapers and magazine ("66 in De Morgen, 57 in De Standaard, 56 in Het Nieuwsblad, 38 in De Tijd, 37 in La libre Belgique, 32 in Le Soir, etc") I didn't expect to be half-treated like a liar. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:23, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: does not meet WP:MUSICBIO & generally WP:TOOSOON for an encyclopedia entry. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:00, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As a musician, both solo and as a member of Maximalist!, at the very least (1) is covered -- see this article, as well as (10) (amongst others Rosas danst Rosas). As a composer, at the very least (1) (see previous) and (2) are covered (amongst others an opera with Chris Ware), as well as (3) "appears at reasonable length in standard reference books on his or her genre of music": Delaere & Compeers, Contemporary Music in Flanders I, Flemish String Quartets since 1950, Muziekcentrum Vlaanderen / MATRIX, Brussels, 2004, ISBN 90-77717-013 (downloadable from here). In general, Hus is "cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching for a particular music genre", for his work with the Dance organ. As for the WP:TOOSOON, I don't see how that applies someone who's been in reliable independent sources for his music since at least the late 1980s. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 20:38, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article now contains the following sources:
 * For Hus in general: 'Walter Hus over het hoe en waarom van componeren', De Morgen, 17 January 2005, http://gpr.me/vgsnk4kzw9/. The intro of that article (in one of Belgium's leading daily newspapers): 'Het komt niet vaak voor dat de naam van een hedendaagse componist door redelijk wat mensen wordt herkend. Bij ons is Walter Hus misschien een uitzondering. De afgelopen jaren oogstte hij ook bij theaterliefhebbers succes met zijn vier opera's op tekst van Jan Decorte: diens ver- en hertalingen van stukken van Shakespeare.' (translation)
 * For film music in general: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0403818/
 * For work with Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker: 'Het stuk dat maar niet verouderd raakt', De Morgen, 16 May 2015, http://gpr.me/hy3kgsd5c0/
 * For work with Needcompany: 'Met de deurklink in de hand', De Tijd, 23 April 2003, http://gpr.me/kbex1g4anj/
 * For work with Wim Vandekeybus: 'Met geluid wil ik de stille film eren', Gazet van Antwerpen, 14 January 1999, http://gpr.me/kphv2cqs1a/
 * For his string quartets: Delaere & Compeers, Contemporary Music in Flanders I, Flemish String Quartets since 1950, Muziekcentrum Vlaanderen / MATRIX, Brussels, 2004, ISBN 90-77717-013, http://muziekcentrum.kunsten.be/document.php?ID=1769
 * For his opera Orfeo: Stalpaert, C. and Roy, F.L. and Bousset, S., No Beauty for Me There where Human Life is Rare: On Jan Lauwers' Theatre with Needcompany'', Studies in performing arts and film, ISBN 9789038210575, Academia Press and International Theatre and Film Books, 2007
 * For his opera "Meneer, de zot & tkint": 'Kernachtig collectief muziekdrama van Walter Hus', De Standaard, 25 September 2000, http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dst25092000_037
 * For his opera "Bloetwollefduivel": 'Driemaal Shakespeares "Macbeth" in Brussel en Rotterdam', De Standaard, 11 April 2001, http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dst11042001_065
 * For his opera "Titus Andonderonikustmijnklote": 'Doe-het-zelfopera van Walter Hus', 13 September 2002, http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dst13092002_056
 * For these last three operas in general: 'Not so damned human(istic): Muziektheater volgens vier heren van het gewezen Maximalist!', ETCETERA. Tijdschrift voor podiumkunsten, December 2004, http://theater.uantwerpen.be/etc_pdf/2004-12_jg22_nr94_24-29.pdf
 * For his cooperation with Chris Ware: 'Opera met strips verbinden is subversief', De Morgen, 2 March 2012, http://gpr.me/tq1xy00h1s/
 * For his innovative use of the Decap organ: 'Un violoncelle, un accordéon et un orchestre mécanique', Le Soir, 2 November 2017, http://gpr.me/ffx4zt081x/ and 'Belem & the Mekanics bring alive the sound of Decap', Bruzz, 14 November 2017, https://www.bruzz.be/node/106287 and 'Walter Hus pour le projet Belem & The Mekanics', RTBF interview, https://www.rtbf.be/auvio/detail_walter-hus-pour-le-projet-belem-the-mekanics?id=2280981
 * For his winning an award for a recent soundtrack: '“Waste Land” en “N – The Madness of Reason” grote winnaars van de Ensors', https://www.filmfestivaloostende.be/geen-categorie/waste-land-en-n-the-madness-of-reason-grote-winnaars-van-de-ensors/
 * I'm not sure how much more I need to do to persuade you to keep this article. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 22:37, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


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