Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter Kotaba


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 18:30, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Walter Kotaba

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No evidence of passing of passing GNG/NBIO. Few passing mentions on the web as well in news or books, no substantial in-depth coverage (at best I see him discussed in a single sentence, never in a dedicated paragraph outside of a single source here which  nonetheless I don't think is sufficiently in-depth to warrant keeping this, nor does it appear very reliable - no author, mentions an article - Renee Domogauer's  “Ethnic Community Radio; The Voice of Home in America.” - that doesn't seem to exist anywhere). His bio was just deleted from pl wiki as neither my BEFORE nor anyone else's where able to find sources (including in Polish) to suggest he passes NBIO or such (pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2020:03:12:Walter_Kotaba). Bottom line is that he seems like a reasonably successful Polish-American businessman, owner of few business stations and likely active in the Polish-American community, but no-one has dedicated any reliable, in-depth coverage to discussing his life or achievements sufficiently to make him encyclopedic in light of NBIO. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Merge with Polnet Communications (WP:BUSINESSPERSONOUTCOME). I could not find any non-trivial mentions of Kotaba beyond what's mentioned in the nomination. The de Wikipedia says he is one of the 25 richest Poles living outside of Poland — suggesting there ought to be coverage of him — but it lists no source and I could not find any such list in English or German. userdude 06:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be fine but... do you think that company is notable? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:33, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The article already mentioned this site: Article on Walter Kotaba's radio business. The Banner  talk 11:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * As explained, this coverage is low quality: hardly in-depth and of problematic reliability. It does not appear to be peer reviewed, it's more like a press release, likely a thank you for his donation. In fact a closer review raises more questions: what is the "National Museum of Language"? It seems like a small private museum (no evidence of state or any institutional support) run by "College Park, MD", or rather, a wannabe museum, as "We do not have an exhibit hall open at this time. We are actively seeking an affordable location". Even if we were to accept it (and I think it's rather clear it does not meet WP:RS), GNG requires multiple in-depth, reliable sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG does not ask for multiple in-depth reliable sources. It doesn ask for: If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. That is something different than what you claim that it asks. The Banner  talk 10:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, so show us that significant coverage in those reliable sources? Because the one source you found clearly is not reliable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - I’m not sure about this one, he seems to have few hits such as these - he is shown in details. "For many years, Walter Kotaba has owned factories in Poland, making clothing and travel bags out of government-supplied cloth for government-owned stores...." I need to search more but for now a "weak keep".  GizzyCatBella  🍁  06:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, but we need in-depth coverage, not just mentions in passing. Or stuff like awards and so on. He exists, is mentioned in a passing source or few, but as I said, I think he falls on the wrong side of notability due to the lack of any in-depth coverage outside of the few paragraphs on one page we have found so far.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Closeapple (talk) 19:55, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC) Toughpigs seriously, please provide some actual reasons why this should not be deleteted. I'm on the fence here, and your brief remark doesn't really help at all. Thanks. GizzyCatBella 🍁  07:23, 31 March 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: Nitpicking sources at this level is not particularly productive. There's nothing in policy that requires such scrutiny. — Toughpigs (talk) 06:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * What sources? Seriously, which sources here do you consider good? I am not nitpicking, I am not seeing anything here that's remotely passes WP:RS and is in-depth. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I'm referring to. See WP:BLUDGEON. — Toughpigs (talk) 23:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTAVOTE. If your comment here doesn't go beyond a WP:NPA, I don't see what is its purpose. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * True, it is not a vote. But what you are doing is coming with source-demands that are way over and beyond what WP:GNG is asking for. So I support the opinion of Toughpigs. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 05:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - I was on the fence with this one, but because all I see here are remarks aimed at the nominator instead of constructive arguments, I'm being pushed presently towards the other direction. I'm revising my previous "weak keep" to "weak delete" but will reconsider my view again once some solid reasonings arrive. GizzyCatBella  🍁  00:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't see a sufficient coverage in reliable sources.--Darwinek (talk) 00:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per available sources and WP:GNG. Two other observations: [1] The article has been prodded. That's only for obvious delete cases. I see fine people on both sides of the issue here. [2] Everyone here who dares to disagree with the nominator (both keeps and merges) is being bludgeoned. That's a bad habit. Instead, try making a stronger case in the nomination or being more selective in AfDs (there are other ways to contribute to WP!) and give space to the Wikipedians who bother to look into an AfD. gidonb (talk) 23:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you kindly elaborate on how the single available source (that is more than a sentence or so) passes GNG and RS? So far nobody has done it, despite me asking for this, explicitly. Which I will do again. Thank you, --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - We only have a tiny bit of coverage about him that's notable. There's not enough here to build a real page out of. Merely being mentioned as doing X and then Y doesn't help that much for a full biography. I'm inclined to think that deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:36, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - the nominator seems to be getting a lot of heat undeservedly, these are not unreasonable questions to ask of sources presented to AfD in my view. We need to scrutinise the sources presented to AfD rather than just dragging up anything that briefly mentions the subject in passing. The sources that have been presented are not significant, do not demonstrate notability to me, are not reliable, and therefore there is nothing to base an article on. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


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