Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter Quintus


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The result was   delete. § FreeRangeFrog croak 04:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Walter Quintus

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Despite appearances, this is wholly unreferenced as far as I can see. I have checked over 20 of the refs and not one contained a mention of Walter Quintus. Fails WP:MUSIC. It also has a vanishing small content when the list of supposed collaborators is removed. I suspect it is a hoax and could probably be a subject for a speedy deletion.  Velella  Velella Talk 20:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I checked all of the refs and there is always my name mentioned. At the first glance you may not see it (since often there is much text and many names). But when you type „cmd F“ on your Mac (I don’t know the equivalent on a PC) you always find me! Maybe this kind of sources is not appropriate. But what else should I cite? I was asking this before (sent an email to ‘Enigmaman’), but never got an answer. Walter Quintus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wquintus (talk • contribs) 09:01, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

I just read the term ‘hoax’, so I would like to answer again:

I did cite some names of other artists I am/was working with in my life. In September I received an email from Enigmamsg who asked me to stop adding unsourced cruft. This was my ‘final warning’. I don’t consider those names ‘cruft’, but that’s another question. I answered by email asking what kind of sources he meant. Didn’t get an answer. So I did add sources for each name. A few hours later I received an invitation for this discussion.

I know lots of artists who are editing their appearances on Wikipedia. And why should they not? They obviously know better than anyone else what’s right or wrong with their biographies, whats’s true or false with their histories, careers etc. If anybody suspects a promotional, commercial background in this, that’s totally wrong. My work, and the work of most of my friends (Jazz music, experimental jazz, world music etc.), is committed to art! You may exclude commercial aspects (sales promotion) or whatever, since their is no ‘market’ for this kind of music. It’s difficult enough to survive with this - which is true even with some of the ‘bigger’ names. Me for example, more than half of my life I’m helping young artists who don’t have any budget to realize and produce their music. I help artists in other countries to make music of their tradition survive which is hundreds of years old, which otherwise would disappear from this planet. And so on… So what kind of sources do I need to add? Should I mention letters from the Turkish state (for example) in which they make pretty clear that they don’t have any interest in letting us record music from the Ottoman Empire?Or should I cite phone calls from musicians, who are well known today, asking me to produce their music? Or is it enough to name the concerning records/CDs? Or order numbers, too?

And: it’s not my fault that the article has a vanishing small content. Someone has taken out the biography which was written by Eric Watson (an American jazz-pianist, who lives in Paris) and Mark Nauseef (American drummer, who lives in Hamburg). What can I do?

Walter Quintus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wquintus (talk • contribs) 09:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:26, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * *Comment The most cursory check would have shown that Quintus has indeed contributed to a large amount of recorded music. Why here he is mentioned by the BBC, no less . The problem is that music production is a team effort; although his name can easily be found in credits, and plenty will have been written about recordings he took part in, we so far lack citations to impartial published writings about Quintus as an individual, showing his notability through factual information and critical evaluation. Assuming that the user Wquintus is indeed the artist, he needs to be aware that by continuing to edit an article about himself he risks flouting our policies about "conflict of interest" and "original research" Noyster  (talk),  17:39, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 04:17, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * *Comment I'd say that this more than "flouting our policies about "conflict of interest" and "original research"!! This looks like a direct violation. I'm going to assume that Quintus is not aware of WP policies and therefore wasn't aware of these policies when he created the page. The page, unfortunately, is pretty much devoid of content, consisting mainly of links to the names of people. I would say that it is in every way NOT an encyclopedic article. The only solution I see, assuming that there is content to be contributed, is to delete everything but the one line of text and start over, calling it a stub. However, Quintus must understand that it is not appropriate for him to edit the article. The survival of this article depends on a (as yet unknown) interested editor who will take it on. If no one comes forward, then the stub can be deleted. LaMona (talk) 19:36, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It should be noted, though, that previous versions did include a biographical section. The more valid objection to the article would be that the biography was unsourced and not written neutrally Noyster  (talk),  09:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 02:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. I'm gonna ignore any conflict of interest aspects of this other than to say that if it's good content, reliably sourced, and neutrally written, I'm pretty relaxed about who's added it. The only consideration here is notability. I've had a good ol' look for some significant coverage in reliable sources (which is the metric we use), and found nothing that meets either the general notability guideline or the guideline for music. Passing mentions don't cut it I'm afraid. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 02:34, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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