Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter van Dyk


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The result was delete. Clearly, there is a consensus to delete here. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 20:39, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Walter van Dyk

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Contested PROD: original premis was '.' Reason for PROD removal was 'has references'; unfortunately this did not make clear why having references conveys notability. Or even significance, for that matter. So, here we are. A WP:BEFORE demonstrates few if any reliable sources discussing him in roles or any impact made in them. So fails WP:NACTOR. On top of this, the few sources that even mention him do so in passing, with little depth or the persistence in coverage from reliable sources that one might expect from the *broad* claims made in the article. Fails WP:ANYBIO. Yeah, he was in a helluva load of famous plays; but per WP:NOTINHERITED, that seems to be the extent of involvement in fame or anything close to it. And that's not counting the WP:PROMO, WP:UPE, or WP:COI that's probably involved here. &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  21:44, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete What's here doesn't justify an article, and seven years is a long time to wait for something that would. Anmccaff (talk) 22:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


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 * Delete--I did not realize that there were so few reliable hits for this person: delete this resume. Drmies (talk) 03:11, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - I found passing mentions like this but nothing that would be possible to create a reasonable and properly sourced article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:26, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails all aspects of WP:NACTOR, fails WP:ANYBIO, fails WP:CREATIVE (for photography). Some of the credits seem to be not quite correct, for instance IMDb lists "Septimus" as "Patrician #3", etc. (Btw, Ref#3 is from an edition of Screen World and consist of a listing for the movie's cast/crew, it is not in-depth coverage or an actual article or interview.)  Article also asserts notability for being a singer but subject fails WP:MUSICBIO, only mention of van Dyk at the Portland Chamber Music site is as the narrator in the (one-week+ residency performance's) 2007 & 2008 ensembles.  Not all stage performances are notable enough to prove notability for Wikipedia's purposes and appearances as minor figures in theatrical films also do not convey notability. Shearonink (talk) 15:53, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note For the benefit of those who might not see it—and to preserve it in case the talkpage is deleted—copy-pasting this comment from the article talk page (some slight fixes by me to the formatting for display purposes but no wording change):
 * Firstly, I am the son of Dutch composer Rudi Martinus van Dijk (see Wikipedia) which for historical reasons is of interest. Secondly, I have been a British actor for the past 35 years and I am well known to the profession which is significantly different to being a celebrity. It is of interest to people in the Arts. If there is something specifically which is felt unnecessary and needs editing then by all means let me know. I myself do not know how references are sourced and created in Wikipedia but if you tell me how I can look into this. Best wishes, Walter van Dyk --82.12.222.139 (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC) &#8209; Iridescent 16:33, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per my comments when I originally proposed it for deletion. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I consider DGG's notion that "has references" is grounds for keeping an article regardless of whether it's compliant with Wikipedia's inclusion standards to be utterly spurious. &#8209; Iridescent 16:37, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per the various comments above. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi hit the nail on the head. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:20, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep-- The article has been updated with relevant citations and the references needed. --Walter van Dijk 17:49 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Page is terrible. But the actor  may be sourceable, and, if so, page can be reduced to what can be sourced.    His recent roles can be sourced .E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:39, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * So I ran an news archive search. Found:  Arts Planner, Keyes, Bob. Portland Press Herald; Portland, Me. [Portland, Me]03 Aug 2008: E.1. "Among the highlights of this year's festival is the return of Walter van Dyk, the British stage actor who made a big impact last season when he narrated Stravinsky's "The Soldier's Tale." ;  "it was a nice idea to put these works together, particularly in the form conceived by the Dante Quartet and the actor Walter van Dyk,"   Classical: The Independent; London (UK) [London (UK)]26 Dec 2007: 14. ; "The Narrator (Walter van Dyk) kept things on the boil" Stravinsky on the march CLASSICAL, Norris, GeoffreyAuthor InformationView Profile. The Daily Telegraph; London (UK) [London (UK)]07 July 2005: 026. ; "Only in the third act did things take off, and that was because three performers with impeccable comic timing were given their head - Dolton, Walter Van Dyk as a randy old prisoner, and the protean Simon Butteriss."  La Perichole Garsington Opera at Wormsley ** Church, Michael. The Independent; London (UK) [London (UK)]26 June 2012: 44.   and more.  I didn't scan them all.    If profiles of or interviews with Van Dyk have been published (not by the a theatre or event sponsor, in the news media) you could add those to this discussion.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:55, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I have reinstated his photograph to improve the look of the page. --Walter van Dijk 15:08 19 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment It is now three times that the subject of this article has voted to keep it, if you include the note copied from the talk page.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:07, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


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