Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waltlou Mobile Home Park


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Waltlou Mobile Home Park

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This trailer park gets pages and pages of Google hits, almost all of them advertising listing for the sale of propane and gas sold at the property. It is also apparently marked on a survey map, but that as such does not make it notable as almost anything can be found in these maps. Normally I am very generous when it comes to geographical features but I can see no evidence that this trailer park is more notable than any other commercial entity that will also be listed on maps such as junk yards, farms or similar structures. I would really need to see evidence that shows that this particular trailer park is especially notable. Otherwise any info should be included to Falmouth Travelbird (talk) 16:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedias concerns regarding notability are addressed by third party links, which are legitimate sources and the identical sources used by other mobile home parks presently on Wikipedia, with identical listings to Waltlou. Those links are: MHVillage.com/Waltlou Mobile Home Park, which list "communities" by zip code, and is nationally recognized. Geographic Names Information System (GNIS)-Waltlou Mobile Home Park, which verifies Waltlou as a "populated place", gives specific coordinates, refers only to the community, no other business and is federally recognized. Waltlou Mobile Home Park was also add to the list of unincorporated communities in Stafford County, Virginia, United States, and an additional reference was added to Waltlou Mobile Home Park's page due to this addition.

Historical Tragedy: In addition, a tragic murder/suicide occurred in 2008, and was picked up by local and national coverage, naming Waltlou Mobile Home Park as the neighborhood where the tragic acts occurred. [http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=71387 WUSA News. Wtop News. And there are many more similar reports on the same incident.

Travelbird mentioned that Waltlou Mobile Home Park came up a lot when a google search was run, but more to the point, Waltou Propane Gas & Mobile Home Park came up. Waltlou DOES HAVE a completely SEPARATE business on the outskirts of the neighborhood, and the neighborhood does not run through the gas business or have anything to do with it, other than proximity. Waltlou Propane Gas advertises, therefore it comes up on searches, but it is advertised as Waltlou Propane Gas, and we keep it separate from Waltlou Mobile Home Park. There are instances when both have been used together, but they are handled as separate financially, and run/regarded separate by those in the neighborhood. The question was asked in the 1st paragraph by Travelbird, what makes Waltlou Mobile Home Park different from a junk yard, farm or similar structure? The same thing as any other neighborhood in the community, an unincorporated community, the site of a tragic murder/suicide, registered on GNIS, MHVillage, Wikipedia references, numerous listings in google for rental property available, and we have fulfilled more than other listings for similar mobile homes. Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkhad (talk • contribs) 10:07, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * When you say, "we keep it separate from Waltlou Mobile Home Park", who are the "we" that you refer to? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge/Redirect to Falmouth. The sources suggest that Waltlou Mobile Home Park is a neighborhood of Falmouth, and it doesn't seem to be independently notable enough for its own article. Any notable information about the community can be merged to the Falmouth article. I'm not sure if unincorporated mobile home parks should be covered under the consensus that unincorporated communities are notable, but this one is a neighborhood anyway, and neighborhoods are rarely notable enough for their own articles. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 11:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Waltlou Mobile Home Park is a distinct, separate neighborhood which has been in existence since the 1960's, and is recognized in the area. To rebut the merge/redirect and notability questions, according to Wikipedia's guidelines, it has been proven by third party reference that Waltlou should have its own article, like many others identical. As reference, the GNIS listing which is an globally recognized federal entity, which has listed Waltlou as a populated place, with geographic coordinates. Also, Waltlou is listed with MHVillage.com as an established community/neighborhood, like a number of other parks on Wikipedia, and MHVillage.com is a national site recognized by those in the real estate business. Also, Waltlou is listed as an unincorporated community in Stafford, Virginia. Again, view the unincorporated communities from Stafford, Virginia, and compare the similarities with Waltlou and a number of the other communities that are listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkhad (talk • contribs) 15:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, definitely no redirect, not even worth a mention in the Falmouth VA article. It's a trailer park with what looks like about 10 or 11 homes, on the outskirts of Fredericksburg VA.  It's a "populated place" in the same sense that a small apartment building might be.  There's no official policy, though we have a common outcome WP:NPLACE and an essay Notability (geography) referring to census-designated places identified by the U.S. Census Bureau, rather than the U.S. Geological Survey.  For the record, there are 502 places in Stafford County, Virginia, that are on the massive USGS list of populated places.  .  Mandsford 03:02, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, populated places that aren't CDPs or incorporated places have generally been kept in past AfDs. This being a neighborhood and not an unincorporated community, though, it doesn't fall under that. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 21:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not notable at all.  Dough 48  72  22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Waltlou Mobile Home Park is not, "a trailer park with what looks like about 10 or 11 homes", which the prior critique states. How the user came up with that number is unclear, and incorrect, significantly. The following are Wikipedia articles, or pages of mobile home parks listed in Wikipedia:  Evergreen Mobile Home Park, Edmonton,   C and M Mobile Home Park, Alabama,   Balle Mobile Home Park, Alabama,   Brantley Mobile Home Park, Alabama,   Forks Mobile Home Park, Washington,   Superstition Shadows Mobile Home Park, Arizona,   Stein's Rockin R Mobile Home Park, Iowa,   These parks and listings are similar, and some identical, and some with less information than Waltlou Mobile Home Park. The other mobile home parks followed Wikipedia guidelines, as did Waltlou Mobile Home Park, and have all dealt with issues of notability, and presently exist. Why Waltlou seems to be judged differently or singled out is not understood. Also, to address issues with "populated place" brought up in the previous critique, Waltlou is not using the term populated place in the same sense as a small apartment building would use it, any more than England Run, Virginia does. England Run is a neighborhood close to Waltlou Mobile Home Park that serves the same purpose, and as notable as Waltlou, in every facet. If you say there is no policy regarding this, and other mobile home park communities and neighborhoods have articles in wikipedia, it seems then that Waltlou Mobile Home Park is for some reason being judged differently. Concerns of notability and relevance have been put forth, and per wikipedia rules and guidelines, those concerns have been answered. There is third party reference by verifiable and acceptable sources, the same as those above. Also, Wikipedia, as a reference tool, should be concerned with fact, and having available as much reference as possible. What Waltlou Mobile Home Park is, is a community/neighborhood, also a populated place and unincorporated place, and fits each of those descriptions. Why the editor(prior opinion) feels that a mobile home park neighborhood or community is unequal or inferior, to a "stick-built" neighborhood or community, or a populated place or unincorporated place, is unclear, and there does not seem to be any real distinction. I would think the more data and information that is accurate that Wikipedia has, the better. I know it is not a matter of space in Wikipedia. Please review the other articles in Wikipedia that were added above, and look at the similarities to Waltlou Mobile Home Park. Accurate, verifiable data has been submitted, and it fits the guidelines, and also seems to be in line with what wikipedia is all about. I would hope that personal bias or discrimination do not play a part in keeping facts out of wikipedia. I do not think a place is subjective, it exist, is used by the population, and fits guidelines. The more information available, the better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkhad (talk • contribs) 18:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The estimate of 10 or 11 mobile homes may be incorrect, but not significantly so, as this business's own web site says there are 15. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is a business rather than a distinct populated place, so should be judged by the standards that we apply to businesses, which I can see no evidence of this article meeting. And, please, don't throw around accusations of prejudice against mobile home dwellers. I live in a bricks-and-mortar house on a street with about three times the number of homes that this park has, and would expect to be held up to ridicule if I was to argue that that street was a suitable subject for an encyclopedia article. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

If Waltlou Mobile Home Park is identical to the links of other mobile home parks presently in Wikipedia whose links were included in the prior contribution by davidkhad, why then is Waltlou Mobile Home Park being judged different. If no reason is given for that other than deletion for that reason, then what am I to think. Waltlou mobile home park is not trying to be listed as a business, the same as all the other mobile home parks with pages on Wikipedia. If one is going to object to this listing, then please answerer why England Run, Virginia is on Wikipedia, or any of the mobile home parks I listed. There is absolutely no difference. That point has not been broached by any of the editors. I do not understand why one feels Waltlou Mobile Home Park is not worthy of Wikipedia, and those others are. Also, regarding notability, regarding wikipedias rules, that has been addressed. Also, Waltlou mobile home park is not being listed as a business, but a neighborhood. A neighborhood that does business does not exclude it from being in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkhad (talk • contribs) 20:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I can see that this business is trying to present itself as a neighbourhood, but that is a misrepresentation. Nobody (apart from you) commenting above has expressed any opinion about any of those other articles because this discussion is about Waltlou Mobile Home Park, and about only Waltlou Mobile Home Park. If any of those other parks don't meet our inclusion criteria then they can also be nominated for deletion by any editor - the instructions are at WP:AFD. And please don't refer to yourself in the third person, as it makes it look as though you are presenting your comments as coming from different people when they are in fact from the same person. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question above, which you may have missed amongst the other comments, i.e. when you say, "we keep it separate from Waltlou Mobile Home Park", who are the "we" that you refer to? Do you represent Waltou Propane Gas & Mobile Home Park? And I'll add another question: as you say that the filling station is "on the outskirts of the neighborhood", could you explain how a neighbourhood of this size (look at the satellite image and zoom in three clicks to get a proper perspective) can be said to have any "outskirts". Phil Bridger (talk) 22:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

In response to the above critique, Waltlou Mobile Home Park is a neighborhood, where people live, and rent their homes, just like any other neighborhood. The reason why I mentioned the other mobile home parks is because that seems to be the status quo. I understand and accept your reasoning that you are only dealing with my article (our article), and not the others. But I think when dealing with this medium, and when I planned my article, I was directly "inspired" to do so from those articles, that being why I pointed them out. I think to ignore them and give the answer that you are dealing with this article, not the others, is ignoring the fact that they are identical or very much like each other. Since there are quite a few, my logic would follow, that if they were constructed the same, then where is the problem? I do not have a problem with the other parks, nor see a reason why they should be removed, regarding the link left by the prior person. The only reason I can think, but concede to possibly others, is that the reason the other mobile home parks, and England Run, Virginia were not mentioned was because there is no problem with them. The criteria for Waltlou Mobile Home Park being in Wikipedia has been met. Also, if I referred to myself in the third person, I am sorry. I do not really understand what the person above is saying in regards to trying to sound like different people, I think you are reading a bit to much into it, and your tone conveys a lot of attitude and anger, which I think is inapropreate in this forum. To answer the above question "who are we", that is clearly the people working at the mobile home park. In regards to a business being there as well, the business has nothing to do with the community. It does not serve the residents, and is finacially separate, separate insurance, even rules that restrict the people in the neighborhood from being around it. In regards to the outskirts, that meaning the edge, not the center. Also, in regards to a couple of comments left by people, please dont display an attitude, it devalues wikipedia, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkhad (talk • contribs) 07:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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