Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Hanzhou


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. The matter of the article name is outside the scope of AFD and is for editors to decide by the normal editing process.  Spinning Spark  19:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Wang Hanzhou

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Selected this category assuming architecture is included in "arts". This is one of several interrelated articles (On New River, North River Avenue, Jianghan Hall) with the only source being an encyclopedia article. I have been unable to find out anything about Wang Hanzhou in books, the web, etc. And, there's not an article in the Chinese wikipedia about this place. There were some articles added to the French wikipedia, but they were deleted.  CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 17:50, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * delete. Baidu is not a reliable source, and can't find anything else. Noticed also that the url is strange; the proper URL for the same page is http://baike.baidu.com/view/9271966.htm so I don't know if it's a referer URL or serves some other dubious purpose.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 20:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I should add I could find nothing on the Chinese WP for this but there was for On New River and it was deleted as a copyvio presumably from Baidu. That article looks like a crude, possibly machine, translation of the same source, and that could be true of all of them including this.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 22:27, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Two Three Six references from reliable sources added.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:45, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The references are not on the person though. The only biographical information neither establishes why he's notable – being a wood trader in the Qing dynasty is hardly justification for notability – nor is it reliable, the source being a blog of a trade body so not an academic or news source, and only a sentence of that. Everything else is on the building. It's possible there's enough for the notability of that but that would be another article and another discussion.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 13:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * He was a "major" wood trader as noted by the Nanjing News (reference 2) and the Nanjing Cultural Heritage Protection and Utilisation Research Office (reference 3). Both of these are supervised by the Chinese government and therefore may be considered reliable sources for the purposes of establishing Wang's notability. As I have now clarified in the article, he was also a shensi, a term which had a special meaning during the Qing dynasty. I have also added some more information on the importance of the wood trade. It also transpires that Wang was a noted calligrapher. Philg88 ♦talk 09:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Change to Keep based upon 's changes-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 06:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep, in addition to the references given by Philg88, I also found a Jiangsu People new article talking about the building. However, I do see that all the references are about the building not the person. Perhaps the article should be renamed accordingly? Rincewind42 (talk) 15:26, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * A couple of the references relate to Wang himself, but you are correct, the majority refer to the building. That said, I think it would be better to keep the article where it is rather than moving it to something longwinded like Former residence of Wang Hanzhou. My guess is that interested readers are more likely to search for the name, in which case they will find both the man and his house as it stands. Philg88 ♦talk 15:49, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not uncommon to have properties with names like that though, and some of them have WP articles. William C. Nell House, Edmund Gleason Farm, Joseph Andrews House, Capt. John C. Ainsworth House, Justus Ramsey Stone House (all from Category:Houses completed in 1851 where there are many more). It happens when a house is notable, perhaps architecturally or historically, but wasn't given a name of its own. So Wang Hanzhou house or Wang Hanzhou residence would be an acceptable and understandable title, and better represent the article content.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 16:02, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree with name change I agree with John and Princewind regarding the name change - and the options that John provided are not long or cumbersome and keep Wang Hanzhou's name at the front of the article title for easy searching.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 19:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Wang Hanzhou residence seems like a good choice. Philg88 ♦talk 20:41, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.